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    Question Classify Random Montenegrians

    Here are some pics of Montenegrians ( and kin ) I found on the net, searching by typical montenegrian surnames.

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    From upper left, Pontid, Dinarid, 3 reminds me of a Serb politician that I forgot the name of, whom ruled during the time of Milosevic. Number 4, the woman on the upper right corner look almost Karpathid with Turanid. 5 is predominantly East-Baltid. 6 is Dinarid. 7 is almost Armenoid, and he is surprisingly dark for an European.

    I would like to know what Providenje and Frans think.


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    Here are some pics of Montenegrians ( and kin ) I found on the net, searching by typical montenegrian surnames.

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    The man on the right is very dark! Who is he? Some non-Arab Middle Easternerns look the same. I guess that he is predominantly Pontid.


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    some more:

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    Quote Originally Posted by volksdeutsche
    The man on the right is very dark! Who is he? Some non-Arab Middle Easternerns look the same. I guess that he is predominantly Pontid.
    No, can't be. Pontids are relatively light pigmented (many shhave pigmentation simmilar to yours, in fact)

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    That is interesting. I knew that e.g. a Bulgarian and Russian Pontid is not the same. Do you use Pontid, meaning those in Southern Russia (perhaps elsewhere too) as being partially East-Nordid? I saw some Russian online writing in another forum that they have similar looks to the Keltic Nordids (North-Atlantid) found in mainly the Celtic parts of Britain and Ireland.

    Do you mean fair, ruddy skin, light-mixed eyes and medium brown hair. Reddish hair, in Russia?

    By the way, do you think that the golden series of ashen is more common in Russia. Lundman wrote that Central Russians have as light hairs as Eastern Swedes, but with darker hair.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eendracht Maakt Mag
    No, can't be. Pontids are relatively light pigmented (many shhave pigmentation simmilar to yours, in fact)

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    Quote Originally Posted by volksdeutsche
    Do you use Pontid, meaning those in Southern Russia (perhaps elsewhere too) as being partially East-Nordid?
    Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. Bunak distinguishes between the Southern Pontic race (Bulgaria, Trukey, etc...) and doliochroscopic Northern Pontid race, which is partially to significantly depigmented, and thus can be seen as a Nordid variant. In fact, many Russian and Western anthropologists (including G. F. Debetz and C. S. Coon) repeatedly mentioned simmilarities between Southern Russians and Scandinavians.

    I saw some Russian online writing in another forum that they have similar looks to the Keltic Nordids (North-Atlantid) found in mainly the Celtic parts of Britain and Ireland.
    The ones from the Tambov area are, with 20% light hairs and and 37% pure light eyes. The ones from the Ryazan area (30% light hairs, 50% pure light eyes) deviate in a more Nordid direction.

    Do you mean fair, ruddy skin, light-mixed eyes and medium brown hair.
    Yes.

    Reddish hair, in Russia?
    Perhaps somewhat reddish, yes. I think this guy is a good example of a Nordid Russian (his hair seems to have a reddish tint to me):



    By the way, do you think that the golden series or ashen is more common in Russia.
    Full or partial rufosity is quite rare, ranging from 0 to 4%. I'd say that ashen hairs are definitely more common. Of course, rufosity is not equally distributed - the Kostroma region, for example, has 80+% light hairs, all of which are of the ashen variety, whereas the Ryazan area, with 30% light hairs has more golden-blonde shades (I can't recall how many off the top of my head).

    Lundman wrote that Central Russians have as light hairs as Eastern Swedes, but with darker hair.
    I wouldn't be surprised. Unfortunately, I don't have any of Lundamn's works, so I can't corroborate those figures.
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    So, the general agreement was that I'm pontid too, but what pontid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    So, the general agreement was that I'm pontid too, but what pontid?
    Yes, I saw another thread discussing the Pontid elements and I was interested too. I actually sent volksdeutsche a private message, because it was his post and the thread was really old, but he hasn't cleared his inbox! so he can't receive it

    I'm interested in the whole "Pontid" classification myself, since my sub-race was classified as Pontid and/or Sub-Nordic by the majority here. Can someone elaborate the "Pontid" element a bit more? Maybe in more "laymen's" terms too. (meaning please try to avoid the math for me since I'm a dumb art student )

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    Quote Originally Posted by rusalka
    Yes, I saw another thread discussing the Pontid elements and I was interested too. I actually sent volksdeutsche a private message, because it was his post and the thread was really old, but he hasn't cleared his inbox! so he can't receive it

    I'm interested in the whole "Pontid" classification myself, since my sub-race was classified as Pontid and/or Sub-Nordic by the majority here. Can someone elaborate the "Pontid" element a bit more? Maybe in more "laymen's" terms too. (meaning please try to avoid the math for me since I'm a dumb art student )

    Pontic = Eastern Mediterranean sub-race, inhabiting Bulgaria, parts of Greece, Turkey and the Caucasus. The term was first coined by V.V. Bunak. The most typical representatives of the Pontic race are Bulgarians. Northern Pontic = depigmented Pontic variant (essentially Nordic), common in Russia and Poland and predominant in Southeastern Russia.

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