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    Post The Prussian Claims Society

    http://www.e-f.org.uk/pubs/id/177id.htm

    Chairman of Silesian expellees wants restitution

    The Poles are starting to get seriously worried that their accession to the EU will cause their country to be re-colonised by Germans. They are concerned that Germans will call for property to be restituted which was seized from them in 1945. The Chairman of the Silesian Association (Landsmannschaft), Rudi Pawelka, has created for the purpose of property restitution a “Prussian Claims Society” (Preußische Treuhand GmbH) whose purpose is to collect and administer legal suits for individual property claims in territories which today belong to Poland, the Czech Republic and Russia (to which the former East Prussia currently belongs). The Society is distributing claim forms for people to give details about their property in “East Germany” (i.e. Poland, etc.), and shares are being sold in it to raise the funds for the claims. The Society wants to organise exemplary court cases in the countries concerned. If there is no “politically acceptable solution” then the Society says it will pursue the matter in the courts up to the European Court of Justice. The Society also intends to bring class actions in the United States. The President of the Expellees Association (Bund der Vertriebenen), Erika Steinbach, has said that the Society has nothing to do with her organisation, even though the Silesian Landsmannschaft, which Pawelka heads, is part of Steinbach’s organisation. The deputy president of the Bund der Vertriebenen is also Pawelka’s deputy on the board of the new Society. The Society is based in the Düsseldorf offices of the Landsmannschaft for East Prussia, which also supports the initiative. Pawelka has said that his Society has not yet collected half of the €1 million it needs to start up. The Society is to deal with “soft” cases first, i.e. those dealing with people who emigrated from the countries in question in recent decades. Only later will it move onto the immediate post-war expropriations. Expellees are also addressing their claims to the federal government in Germany, and a private Internet site is encouraging people to write to the Federal Finance Ministry before Poland joins the EU. When it does, cases will be justiciable before the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. The spokesman of the Polish Foreign Ministry, Boguslaw Majewski, has spoken of “worrying signals” as Germany is increasingly being presented as a victim of the war. He said that Poland’s bill for the Second World War was never paid, and that now was not the time to start opening new claims. [Gerhard Gnauck, Die Welt, 29th September 2003]


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    I'm not even gonna try and say a word about this, or it will end in tears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polak
    I'm not even gonna try and say a word about this, or it will end in tears.
    That was 17 words already

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    Great news!

    People are finally showing some backbone.

    Hopefully all the damage done by that fat idiot, corrupt, criminal, and traitor Kohl is not irreversible. Signing away land he had no authority, or right, to sign away -- none of it belonged to him. As to the Yalta criminals, that entire abominable enterprise was illegitimate from a to z.
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    Prussians were not even originally Germans, they were Balts, and Prussian was a Baltic language.

    A brief examination of history shows that Slavs controlled Mecklenburg and all of Pommern, not to mention Ost- and Westpreussen. Should there be a Pomeranian-Kasubian Claims Society to annex Mecklenburg and Pommern to greater Poland? Should Sorbs be given independence? Why do you think so many place names east of the Elbe end in -itz, -au and -ow? Those are all Germanicized Slavic endings (-icz, -ov).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    Prussians were not even originally Germans, they were Balts, and Prussian was a Baltic language.
    That's true if you speak of the original Baltic people who called themselves "Prussians", but it would be misleasing if that shall imply that the German people of this area East-Prussia who later beared the Prussian name, just were Germanized Balts.
    In fact the main basis and of the German population in Silesia, Pomerania, East Prussia and other former regions of German language and culture were the German peasants and town citizens from the German Altsiedelland (Old-Settlement Country).

    With regards to the geographical name in the area East of the river Elbe there were used for the towns older Slavic (and Baltic in the Baltic area) settlement and field names as well as original German names.
    -au, by the way, is in some cases Germanized -ov and in other Germ. for "(river) meadow".

    German text about the German Medieval Ostsiedlung (Eastern Settlement): http://www.schlesische-jugend.de/cms...e/ostsiedlung/

    The peasant German Eastern Settlement in Medieval times:

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    Population of Prussia and its Provinces in 1890 Inhabitants non-German citizens*

    East Prussia 1,958,663 2,189

    West Prussia 1,433,681 1,976

    City of Berlin 1,578,794 17,704

    Brandenburg 2,541,783 5,213

    Pomerania 1,520,889 1,405

    Posen 1,751,642 1,438

    Silesia 4,224,458 24,811

    Saxony 2,580,010 4,642

    Schleswig-Holstein 1,217,437 37,821

    Hannover 2,278,361 8,089

    Westphalia 2,428,661 9,879

    Hessen-Nassau 1,664,426 9,801

    Rhineland 4,710,391 39,669

    Hohenzollern 66,720 161

    *The numbers for "non-German citizens" represent only people, who did not speak German language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    The numbers for "non-German citizens" represent only people, who did not speak German language.

    Hmm... where's that statistics from? I still wonder now what "non-German citizens" exactly means here. While on the one side, the number of "non-Germans" in Schleswig-Holstein indeed seems to be the number of the Danish minority, the numbers of some Eastern Prussian provinces only seem to give such persons, who were non-citizens, because they are obviously too low: The ethnic numbers of 1910 were for West Prussia 64.4% German and 27.9% Polish and for Posen 58.6% Polish and 37.9% German. 20 years before it was surely gradually different, but not too much.

    But the ethnic Danes in Schleswig-Holstein were as much citizens of Prussia as the ethnic Poles in West Prussia and Posen were (at least I guess that). So I'm a bit confused about these numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tryggviulf
    Hmm... where's that statistics from? I still wonder now what "non-German citizens" exactly means here. While on the one side, the number of "non-Germans" in Schleswig-Holstein indeed seems to be the number of the Danish minority, the numbers of some Eastern Prussian provinces only seem to give such persons, who were non-citizens, because they are obviously too low: The ethnic numbers of 1910 were for West Prussia 64.4% German and 27.9% Polish and for Posen 58.6% Polish and 37.9% German. 20 years before it was surely gradually different, but not too much.

    But the ethnic Danes in Schleswig-Holstein were as much citizens of Prussia as the ethnic Poles in West Prussia and Posen were (at least I guess that). So I'm a bit confused about these numbers.
    I got these numbers from a discussion on the Wikipedia, so I cannot vouch for its accuracy, I'm, afraid....

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