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    From correspondents in Copenhagen, September 30, 2003


    A Danish academic has sparked an uproar by calling for state measures to encourage childbearing among intelligent people but to dissuade those with low intellectual ability, to create what he called a better Danish society.

    Helmuth Nyborg, a well-known psychology professor at the University of Aarhus who specialises in intelligence research, said it was time to "abandon the politically correct" and to practice selection in order to "improve the coming generations and avoid degenerates in the population", in comments this weekend that have been widely reported on national television and the country's main newspapers.

    "I'm aware that my proposal breaks a taboo that dates back more than half a century, since Hitler's Aryan race program, and it is very controversial," he said. "But the debate has to be raised now because the trend is cause for concern in Denmark, where we have an increasing number of problem kids," he said.

    His proposals triggered outrage among many politicians and experts, including Integration Minister Bertel Haarder, who said Nyborg's suggestions were "against all moral principles". But he said statistics show that women with lower educations have more children than highly educated women, who tend to spend more time studying and working before starting a family.

    Nyborg suggested that highly educated women could have their workloads reduced while less intelligent parents could be paid to not have children. "It's easy to make associations to Hitler and Nazism, as my critics do. But this has nothing to do with Nazism. Hitler was not a eugenicist, but an ideologue who abused the program of procreation," he said.

    "He didn't want to improve the human race, he wanted to eliminate certain groups such as Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, and he massacred the most intelligent among them," Nyborg said. Nyborg claimed intelligence was hereditary, and said it was "unfortunate and worrying if parents of lower intelligence bring more children into the world, as is the case today in Denmark, than highly intelligent parents".

    "We can already choose to have children or not by doing practical tests in fertility clinics which show whether the fetus has hereditary genetic malformations," he said. "It's possible to choose the eggs. So why not keep the best ones, in terms of intelligence," he said.

    "Between 10 and 20 per cent of the population, who are at the lower echelon of society and who cannot fill in a time sheet at work or who cannot hold down a job or take care of their children, should not have children," he said.

    "We are all aware of this problem, but we don't dare talk about it. But we should, for the sake of society and the future, so that we can have productive citizens and not people who need help," he said.


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    Uproar at suggestions the unintelligent should not breed


    A Danish academic has sparked an uproar by calling for state measures to encourage child-bearing among intelligent people but to dissuade those with low intellectual ability, to create what he believes will be a better Danish society. Helmuth Nyborg is a psychology professor who specialises in intelligence research at the University of Aarhus. He says it is time to abandon the politically correct and practice selection to improve the coming generations, and avoid degenerates in the population.

    Professor Nyborg says statistics show that women with a lower education have more children than highly-educated women, who tend to spend more time studying and working before starting a family. He is suggested that highly educated women could instead have their workloads reduced, while less intelligent parents could be paid to not have children.


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    Fury over call for selective breeding
    By Julian Isherwood in Copenhagen (01/10/2003)


    A leading Danish psychologist has caused outrage by calling for the state to encourage the selective reproduction of children from intelligent parents and seek to stop less gifted groups having children. "Intelligence is hereditary," said Prof Helmuth Nyborg, the dean of the Psychology Institute at Aarhus University. "The 15 to 20 per cent of those at the lower levels of society - those who are not able to manage even the simplest tasks and often not their children - should be dissuaded from having children.

    "The fact is that they are having more children and the intelligent ones are having fewer." He insisted that his proposals could not be likened to extermination policies under the Nazis. "Hitler didn't believe in eugenics. He just wanted to exterminate individual groups, and in fact exterminated the most intelligent among them," he said. Prof Nyborg said he was raising the issue because average intelligence was falling in Denmark and the problem needed to be addressed.

    "The statistics show that more highly educated women use their time studying and at work before having children, while less educated women have more children," he said. "We could reduce the workload of intelligent women and simply pay the less intelligent not to have kids." Prof Nyborg's claims met widespread criticism. "This is something that is contrary to all moral principle," said Berthel Haarder, the immigration and integration minister, adding that it was "unacceptable".

    Prof Lene Koch, of the Public Health Institute, said genetics scientists around the world had rejected the theory that intelligence was hereditary. "Less intelligent parents do not always have less intelligent children, and parents with higher intelligence do not always have children with higher intelligence," she said.
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    Outcry over call to curb low IQ children


    A Danish academic has sparked an uproar by calling for state measures to encourage childbearing among intelligent people but to dissuade those with low intellectual ability, to create what he called a better Danish society.

    Helmuth Nyborg, a well-known psychology professor at the University of Aarhus who specialises in intelligence research, said it was time to "abandon the politically correct" and to practice selection in order to "improve the coming generations and avoid degenerates in the population", in comments this weekend that have been widely reported on national television and the country's main newspapers.

    "I'm aware that my proposal breaks a taboo that dates back more than half a century, since Hitler's Aryan race program, and it is very controversial," he said. "But the debate has to be raised now because the trend is cause for concern in Denmark, where we have an increasing number of problem kids," he said.

    His proposals triggered outrage among many politicians and experts, including Integration Minister Bertel Haarder, who said Nyborg's suggestions were "against all moral principles". But he said statistics show that women with lower educations have more children than highly educated women, who tend to spend more time studying and working before starting a family.

    Nyborg suggested that highly educated women could have their workloads reduced while less intelligent parents could be paid to not have children. "It's easy to make associations to Hitler and Nazism, as my critics do. But this has nothing to do with Nazism. Hitler was not a eugenicist, but an ideologue who abused the program of procreation," he said.

    "He didn't want to improve the human race, he wanted to eliminate certain groups such as Jews, gypsies and homosexuals, and he massacred the most intelligent among them," Nyborg said. Nyborg claimed intelligence was hereditary, and said it was "unfortunate and worrying if parents of lower intelligence bring more children into the world, as is the case today in Denmark, than highly intelligent parents."

    "We can already choose to have children or not by doing practical tests in fertility clinics which show whether the fetus has hereditary genetic malformations," he said. "It's possible to choose the eggs. So why not keep the best ones, in terms of intelligence," he said. "Between 10 and 20 per cent of the population, who are at the lower echelon of society and who cannot fill in a time sheet at work or who cannot hold down a job or take care of their children, should not have children," he said.

    "We are all aware of this problem, but we don't dare talk about it. But we should, for the sake of society and the future, so that we can have productive citizens and not people who need help," he said.
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    It's true though.

    The most intelligent people don't have time to breed because they've got careers.

    It's the dumbos who have 12 kids (their first one at 14) because they don't know a thing about contraception.

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    It is coming. Likely it will come forcefully because people are too irresponsible to do it volitionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocreator
    It is coming. Likely it will come forcefully because people are too irresponsible to do it volitionally.
    It's not coming and it won't come forcibly. There are too many human rights groups, and too many elites who desire a wholly unintelligent population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Reb
    It's not coming and it won't come forcibly. There are too many human rights groups, and too many elites who desire a wholly unintelligent population.

    People will become desensitized to the whiners. Somebody's going to have to clean up the mess.

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    people are slowly but surely waking up and growing the balls to speak up about the reality and necessity of eugenics


    It's not coming and it won't come forcibly. There are too many human rights groups, and too many elites who desire a wholly unintelligent population.
    Unintelligent people are not preferable to anyone because they are frequently inefficient and parasitical. Due to the minimum wage, welfare ect, they frequently consume more than what they produce, which is the primary antecdent for inflation.

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    Something does have to be done. We got people who literally can not take care of themselves, physically and or emotionally, having children. Naturally, the parent(s) being unable to take care of their own person cannot properly care for any offspring. Their children in turn repeat the process and the problem grows.

    That's neither freedom nor tolerance, but licentiousness.

    Society does not want to face the problem squarely for a variety of reasons, the unpleasantness of the problem and the costs among them. Many do not realize that whether the problem is dealt with directly or not, an incalculable cost is borne either way by society, but by facing it squarely the cost ought to in time go down as the problem is largely corrected....while not facing it the costs remain as they are or rise.
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