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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    What does Kazan mean in Greek?
    Nothing, the last name is not Greek etymologically.

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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes_Pontikos
    Elia Kazan was a Greek.

    http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/kazan.htm

    Elia Kazan was born in Constantinople (now Istanbul) of Greek parentage.

    http://www.filmnight.org/eliakazan.htm

    Immigrating with his Greek family to the U.S. in 1913, Kazan began his acting career with the New York Group Theatre in the 1930s.

    http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0827236.html
    "Elia ("Gadge") Kazan was born Elia Kazanjoglou on September 7 1909 into an Armenian family in Istanbul, Turkey. When he was four, his parents emigrated to America and settled in New York. All his life, he remained aware of his European origins. His father became a carpet dealer."

    "Kazan, born in Turkey (and half-Armenian), wrote the screenplay and novel as a means of exploring his family?"

    Looks like he was both Armenian and Greek...the only Greeks I know (rembetika) with "glu" surnames do not spell it with Armenian words or with the KLUs (western Armenian pronounciation)of a Turkish originated surname ending.

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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    What does Kazan mean in Greek?
    "kazan" also means a storage pit in eastern armenian...it probably has persian origins or turkic

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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    I always thought Elia Kazan was an Armenian.
    As for the name Kazan, i think it must be Turkic. The capital of Tatarstan is also called Kazan.

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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    It's obviously Turkic. That whole region of Russia was referred to as Kazan after the Golden Horde Mongols and Tatars invaded.

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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    Quote Originally Posted by Razmig
    Looks like he was both Armenian and Greek...the only Greeks I know (rembetika) with "glu" surnames do not spell it with Armenian words
    Read his autobiography (Elia Kazan, "A Life") if you still have a doubt that he was a Greek. The "kazantz-" occurs in many Greek names, e.g., the famous writer Nikos Kazantzakis, the singer Stelios Kazantzidis, and the director Elias Kazan(tzoglou).

    Kazantzoglou (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ou&btnG=Search

    Kazantzidis (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...tzidis&spell=1

    Kazantzakis (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...is&btnG=Search

    Kazantzopoulos (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...os&btnG=Search

    Kazantzis (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...is&btnG=Search

    Kazandjian (Armenian):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...ndjian&spell=1

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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    From his autobiography:

    His dad: "but he plunged on, telling the truth he knew, that I was a Greek, an Anatolian Greek, "not like these people over here," and that I should recognize my nature."

    How he was introduced in interviews: "the interviews were friendly; I was heralded as the famous man from Anatolia who denied absolutely that he was Armenian."

    About his dad: "In Turkey, he'd learned what Anatolian Greeks learn: how it was necessary to be in order to survive. "
    Last edited by Dienekes_Pontikos; Sunday, June 27th, 2004 at 05:47 AM.

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    Post Re: Elia Kazan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes_Pontikos
    Read his autobiography (Elia Kazan, "A Life") if you still have a doubt that he was a Greek. The "kazantz-" occurs in many Greek names, e.g., the famous writer Nikos Kazantzakis, the singer Stelios Kazantzidis, and the director Elias Kazan(tzoglou).

    Kazantzoglou (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ou&btnG=Search

    Kazantzidis (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...tzidis&spell=1

    Kazantzakis (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...is&btnG=Search

    Kazantzopoulos (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...os&btnG=Search

    Kazantzis (Greek):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...is&btnG=Search

    Kazandjian (Armenian):

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...ndjian&spell=1
    whats the point of those links? for someone who has a website dedicated to his "opinion" on facts, it not surprising that you would label "Kazantzoglou" (a fully turkic surname lol) as "greek"...at least label it by its proper name...unless you are part of the rembetika


    Quote Originally Posted by Dienekes_Pontikos
    From his autobiography:

    His dad: "but he plunged on, telling the truth he knew, that I was a Greek, an Anatolian Greek, "not like these people over here," and that I should recognize my nature."

    How he was introduced in interviews: "the interviews were friendly; I was heralded as the famous man from Anatolia who denied absolutely that he was Armenian."

    About his dad: "In Turkey, he'd learned what Anatolian Greeks learn: how it was necessary to be in order to survive. "
    elia denied he was armenian during the accusations of him being a communist (armnie was under russia at the time)...i have a book about kazan in my closet...what does him stating being an anatolian greek have to do with him not being half? your posts arnt adhering to the topic...but i really dont care...you can have kazan but i will take sarma and dolma

    you dont realize a lot of what is now greek was imported...that can include names....examples: fermented drinks during xenephones trip to anatolian armenia, along with grapes...fruits such as apricots etc were also imported from eastern anatolia along with olives....the idea of modern western mentality which was founded as greek democracy from babylonia, phoenician alphabet...christianity...ETC

    hah...a "patriotic ellen" with the markings of the enemy rome
    Last edited by Razmig; Saturday, July 10th, 2004 at 12:55 AM.

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