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    What if Jesus was born a jew and was actually an avatar from God; however, the Father whom he speaks of is not the tribal God, Yaweh, but the inexplicable THAT which is above dicothomies,Brahman (for example)? Suppose the purpose of Jesus's birth were to free the jew from his worship of the demigod Yahweh and expouse him to the greater Truth of a God of Truth and Love?

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    The father all European Christians know in the Graeco-Roman Christianity was derived and inspired by the Sky god in various Aryan cultures. Now to understand and know the Sky god, we need to go on with a quest, and not get obsessed with the tales of jewish superstitions.

    Know 'our' original sky father-that which exists here and in all the universes, that which is unlimited joy, and that which is not a "bound morality".

    We can realise him, but we don't know him yet. But any christianity will, no doubt, convolute 'that' and have Jesus firmly established in our lores, probably bringing other repressing influences/forces.

    Same holds true for an excessive appeal towards other later Vedanta "prophets" and Gautama etc.

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    I agree that because of the influence of the Bible most "Christians" think of God the Father as the tribal god of the jews, Yahweh. However, many of the early gnostics proposed exactly what I just asked.

    I must confess my ignorance concerning Vedic Gods. However, I know that much of what I have read in the Vedas in English I can put alongside the words of Jesus and they harmonize better than the words of Jesus harmonize with the actions of Yahweh.

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    You are indeed a proud Aryan. And it seems only justified the way you see IE in your life, doesn't matter where you were born or whatever you ever thought. It is natural.

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    The Yahweh of the Jews was a very demanding, jealous God. The NT God is one who loves mankind.
    The two don't really go together and I think you need to look on Yahweh as a tribal God with a special covenant with the Jews - not as the omnipotent all-wise God that other religions have. After all, if you are going to have a God, then there can only be one, and that one must be all-powerful, all-wise and so on. Once you narrow God's view to one special group and select them for his favours then he is no longer a Supreme Being. And note too, that the Jewish Yahweh is male; and the true Jewish man thanks his God each morning that he was not born female. So Yahweh ignores half of his chosen people as well as all the non-Jews in the world.

    As for the New Testament, that was produced to advertise Jesus and the Christian religion that Paul wanted to proclaim to the world. Watching some of the recent programmes on TV it seems to me that he more or less invented a cult for his own self-aggrandisement and to gain power for himself.

    To go off at a slight tangent, here is a thought to consider: why should this Supreme Being always be thought of as male? Without a father there may be no creation; but without a mother there is no birth. It is just as logical to choose a Goddess to worship. Or do we choose a male God because we are not civilised? Still fighting each other all over the world. What Goddess would approve of war? What mother wants to see her offspring destroyed?

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    Originally posted by Frank
    What if Jesus was born a jew and was actually an avatar from God; however, the Father whom he speaks of is not the tribal God, Yaweh, but the inexplicable THAT which is above dicothomies,Brahman (for example)? Suppose the purpose of Jesus's birth were to free the jew from his worship of the demigod Yahweh and expouse him to the greater Truth of a God of Truth and Love?
    The Bible itself offers a clue that this is exactly what happened. When criticized for consorting with prostitutes and publicans, Jesus said that as doctors visit the sick, so he came to the sinners. What else could explain Our Lord's deigning to be born amongst the world's greatest evil. Apparently he gave up on them when he said that they belonged to their father the devil.

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    Originally posted by kaleun
    The Yahweh of the Jews was a very demanding, jealous God. The NT God is one who loves mankind.
    The two don't really go together and I think you need to look on Yahweh as a tribal God with a special covenant with the Jews - not as the omnipotent all-wise God that other religions have. After all, if you are going to have a God, then there can only be one, and that one must be all-powerful, all-wise and so on. Once you narrow God's view to one special group and select them for his favours then he is no longer a Supreme Being.
    Really? How so? If God is omnipotent, what would stop him from being unfair and selecting a single group? For that matter, why must there only be one deity, and why must a deity be omnipotent. To the pagans, deities were much more powerful than us but not omnipotent.

    As for the New Testament, that was produced to advertise Jesus and the Christian religion that Paul wanted to proclaim to the world. Watching some of the recent programmes on TV it seems to me that he more or less invented a cult for his own self-aggrandisement and to gain power for himself.
    And in the process he also infected it with his own twisted views on sex.

    To go off at a slight tangent, here is a thought to consider: why should this Supreme Being always be thought of as male? Without a father there may be no creation; but without a mother there is no birth. It is just as logical to choose a Goddess to worship. Or do we choose a male God because we are not civilised? Still fighting each other all over the world. What Goddess would approve of war? What mother wants to see her offspring destroyed?
    Why is it a male God's fault if we are still at war? True, we have all that testosterone, but wouldn't a deity be able to control that? Or are You creating God in your own image so that You may knock him down and create Goddess in your fantasy's image? If logic is what You want, consider this: a Divine Couple embracing and complementing each other.
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    Originally posted by davison6

    Or are You creating God in your own image so that You may knock him down and create Goddess in your fantasy's image? If logic is what You want, consider this: a Divine Couple embracing and complementing each other.
    I'm not creating any god, nor a goddess; I merely put forward a hypothesis. As for a Divine Couple, the Egyptians had a basic Divine Family of Father, Mother and Son. This was twisted into the Judeo-Christian father Son and Holy Ghost (with the Virgin Mary replacing Isis).
    But just what is the point of having a God if he/she/it is not omnipotent? And as for many gods, one could argue that these are all aspects of the One; seen in different forms by different groups according to what they wanted their god to be?

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    And in the process he also infected it with his own twisted views on sex.
    What are these twisted views you speak of?

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    It's kind of interesting now, to me--with hindsight I can see that the OT God is "Jealous and vindictive" (or whatever was used to describe Him--I forget now) and the NT God is "loving and caring"

    The OT God is a jewish god, with jewish covenant (as opposed to Hebrew to not offend our CI brothers) while the NT is a Christian God, with a new covenant.

    Jews=jealous and vindictive

    Whites=loving and caring

    A pattern is here, if one's eyes are open.

    I wonder how CI fits into the scheme of things...at any rate, the Bible and its teachings have been corrupted beyond redemption, imo.

    As for the New Testament, that was produced to advertise Jesus and the Christian religion that Paul wanted to proclaim to the world. Watching some of the recent programmes on TV it seems to me that he more or less invented a cult for his own self-aggrandisement and to gain power for himself. And in the process he also infected it with his own twisted views on sex.
    Paul (Saul) was a jew. Isn't he the only one who put in opinions on sex in the Bible (NT)?

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