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    Race and Ethnos

    Understanding the Racial Question
    There is so much evidence for racial differences available, that I will not bother to argue about it here. The races are not equal, just like individuals are not equal.
    Unfortunately, the fact that the White European race is one of the most intelligent – and the most creative – of all races, has led some to believe that every person with European origins is worth saving. Take, for example, the ‘Aryan Nations’-project. It was supposed to become a strong community of ‘racially conscious’, Christian Whites, who had enough of the modern world and its interracial chaos.
    It was a flop.
    All kinds of idiots were accepted, as long as they had light skin. It gained a reputation as a sort of shelter for White dropouts, homeless people, and general losers. I suppose none of you is surprised to hear the project imploded as a result of that.
    We need to understand that the ‘White European race’ is nothing more than a biological, taxonomic construct. The members of our race are diverse, both physically and mentally. Not every White guy is superior to the Negro; we too have losers among us, and we need to cut them loose. Paradoxically enough, in order to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children, we must stop caring about the entire race, and focus on the Whites who are actually worth saving. This is where the ‘ethnos’ comes in.

    The Ethnos
    While the race is a biological, taxonomic construct, the ‘ethnos’ is a biological-spiritual community. It is a group of people, connected not only by blood, but also by world-feeling. The members of an ethnos are typically of the same race, but the ethnos usually does not cover the entire race. All high cultures grew out of such an ethnos. Sometimes an ethnos placed itself as a ruling caste on top of lesser peoples, and then enforced its culture on all its subordinates, as happened in ancient India.

    The Jewish Ethnos
    The Jewish ethnos is probably the best known ethnos in the modern world. It was strong enough to survive even under the most hostile circumstances. For twenty centuries, the Jews lived in ‘diaspora’ among the Gentiles, the very people they despised. They simply retreated into their own circles, and only worked inside the system of their hosts when it suited their interests. This way, they not only managed to survive as a race and an ethnos, but to actually expand their power, and to reclaim the land they lost two millennia ago.

    Conclusion
    There is a lot we can learn from this. Instead of accepting every fair-skinned moron as a member of our movement (=our ethnos in an embryonic stage), we must only accept the most intelligent and dedicated individuals. We cannot save the entire race, but many do not deserve to be saved anyway, and would only damage our movement, and thus our rising ethnos.

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    You say that "We need to understand that the ‘White European race’ is nothing more than a biological, taxonomic construct".
    I regard this as nonsense - the White European Race is no 'construct'. The classification comes long after the fact; the White Race is a product of Nature.

    You say ; "Not every White guy is superior to the Negro".
    More nonsense; I believe that by dint of being White, even the lowest White is superior to the highest Negro.

    And then you say "we must stop caring about the entire race, and focus on the Whites who are actually worth saving ...We cannot save the entire race, but many do not deserve to be saved anyway, and would only damage our movement, and thus our rising ethnos".

    You have to achieve power first, then you can start working on breeding-up the Race; this can only be done once the racial group is brought within the embrace of a White Nationalist government.
    Look at the measures carried out by the Third Reich to breed up the Germans;

    1933 - Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Progeny
    1935 - Nuremburg Laws
    1935 - Reich Citizenship Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honour [forbids sex between Germans and Jews/Blacks/Gypsies]
    1936 - Reich Office for the Combatting of Homosexuality and Abortion
    1936 - Reich Committee for Hereditary Health Questions
    1939 - Euthanasia programme for physically and mentally handicapped/ prostitutes/abortionists and homosexuals for crimes against race.

    These are the sort of measures that need to be brought in; of course they are not effective within small enclaves such as the Aryan Nations project. State power is needed to make the sort of progress that leads to a refined hierarchy WITHIN a Race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    You say that "We need to understand that the ‘White European race’ is nothing more than a biological, taxonomic construct".
    I regard this as nonsense - the White European Race is no 'construct'. The classification comes long after the fact; the White Race is a product of Nature.
    Actually, the separate subraces are products of Nature. The artificial umbrella 'White' mentality is a construct.

    You say ; "Not every White guy is superior to the Negro".
    More nonsense; I believe that by dint of being White, even the lowest White is superior to the highest Negro.
    I know some blacks that are more intelligent and upright than a lot of Anglo-Celtic trash I have seen. To say someone is better just because of the color of their skin defeats the whole point of racial biology. It's about the statistics; which populations are better at what. Sure there are smart blacks and stupid whites. I can respect the decent blacks while recognizing the general trends. I also have no tolerance for some trailer-dwelling redneck just because they are 'white.' I'd just as soon see them deported.

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    You have to achieve power first, then you can start working on breeding-up the Race; this can only be done once the racial group is brought within the embrace of a White Nationalist government.
    Look at the measures carried out by the Third Reich to breed up the Germans;

    1933 - Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Progeny
    1935 - Nuremburg Laws
    1935 - Reich Citizenship Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honour [forbids sex between Germans and Jews/Blacks/Gypsies]
    1936 - Reich Office for the Combatting of Homosexuality and Abortion
    1936 - Reich Committee for Hereditary Health Questions
    1939 - Euthanasia programme for physically and mentally handicapped/ prostitutes/abortionists and homosexuals for crimes against race.

    These are the sort of measures that need to be brought in; of course they are not effective within small enclaves such as the Aryan Nations project. State power is needed to make the sort of progress that leads to a refined hierarchy WITHIN a Race.
    Who is to be the judge of what 'crimes against race' are? You? Hitler? Himmler? Himmler himself was a 'crime against race' just by being who he was, LOL. Were the Strassers guilty of crimes against race? Was Rommel? Röhm?If homosexuality is a crime against race, what about the evidence that Hitler was gay? :giggle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    what about the evidence that Hitler was gay?

    What evidence?
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    You say that "We need to understand that the ‘White European race’ is nothing more than a biological, taxonomic construct".
    I regard this as nonsense - the White European Race is no 'construct'. The classification comes long after the fact; the White Race is a product of Nature.
    I did not say it was a flawed construct. I borrowed the expression from Rushton's essay 'Is Race a Valid Taxonomic Construct?'
    You can read it on www.yggsoc.tk - it's in the Archives-section.

    You say ; "Not every White guy is superior to the Negro".
    More nonsense; I believe that by dint of being White, even the lowest White is superior to the highest Negro.
    If you mean we should never accept a Negro in our White communities, I fully agree. That was, however, not what I meant. If a Negro with an IQ of 100 (that's actually high for a Negro) loves his race and is willing to fight for it, I consider him 'superior' to the White race-traitor who watches mind-numbing television shows, and scores around 90 on an IQ test. This does not mean we should then try to assimilate that black guy.

    You have to achieve power first, then you can start working on breeding-up the Race; this can only be done once the racial group is brought within the embrace of a White Nationalist government.
    Not so much political power, as sovereignty in our own circle. We can learn a lot from the Jews in this respect. At this point we need to form a sort of 'state within the state', just like the Jews did for centuries.

    I know some blacks that are more intelligent and upright than a lot of Anglo-Celtic trash I have seen. To say someone is better just because of the color of their skin defeats the whole point of racial biology. It's about the statistics; which populations are better at what. Sure there are smart blacks and stupid whites. I can respect the decent blacks while recognizing the general trends. I also have no tolerance for some trailer-dwelling redneck just because they are 'white.' I'd just as soon see them deported.
    I agree. If we do not want to sink to the level of the Negro, we will have to be harsh on the lower elements of our race.

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    One of the things often confusing about WN threads is that high level political discussion blends with talk on community or the social aspects of small group survival.


    Moody says: "[Eugenics] can only be done once the racial group is brought within the embrace of a White Nationalist government."

    This may be preferred, but I don't see it as a necessity. I hope that it is not the only way because the prospects for political success are looking dismal.

    But I gather Siegfried is talking community or diasporic survival. I don't see that voluntary (positive) eugenics can be legally denied in any Western nation. Negative eugenics in the form of exclusion or expulsion are do-able in the US - not sure about other countries.

    Surely, Jews/Israel are the most impressive example of a diasporic people taking some ground back (though small and 2000 years later).

    The Amish in North America number about 144,000. Their retension rate is good and losses often go the the Mennonite community - reformed Amish? Some 70% of new Amish settlements were founded after 1960. The Amish are pacifists and don't generally seek converts. From five thousand three hundred years ago, they've multiplied by 29 times AND shed population.

    Remeber also that America's population and land grabs exploded after 1783. Also, the steppe area breeding ground c. 2000 BC and internal population pressures provides a better explanation of intrusive Aryans, Persian, Hittites than glorious marauding tribes. That is, the likelihood is high that the Hittites were DRIVEN by fellow Aryans into Anatolia. These tribes were not enormous, but were more martial than the urban artisan and dirt farmers they overlaid.

    To put this in perspective, if a 'racial/spiritual' community could duplicate Amish success AND recruit, the growth rate would be very high. Today, as of old, control the country-side, control the country. If there was some shedding from the orthodox ruralites to PLEs, it needn't mean loss of identity in the fleeing 'Mennonite.'

    There's a mirror of this thread at SF. But Skadi seems to be generating the more intelligent discussion.

    At SF, JohnJoyTree, usually sharp with his social observations, says:
    "We" is a weasel word. Every member of our race is valuable, and meant to be loved.

    In practice such a group would have to be supportive of wider White Nationalism, would guide the wider White Nationalism, and would grow out the wider White Nationalism, and would recruit from the wider White Nationalism.

    --(He seems to be talking about an interactive, reference population.)--

    In short, it would be a group of dedicated servants, not an aristocracy of the privileged elite. Life as a member of such a group would be a hard duty.

    There are plenty of historical analogs for this.

    Secondly, you mention "the most intelligent and dedicated". I believe we should eschew anything like IQ tests: they are fake measures. Heart and spirit are truer.

    But .... how to start in practice?
    IQ? Heart and Spirit? If there's any degree of heritability to racial instinct, then 'heart and spirit' or loyalty, would be imperative for small groups. Of what value the couch potato with a 180 IQ if he's traitor?

    State power is needed to make the sort of progress that leads to a refined hierarchy WITHIN a Race.
    If I understand him, JohnJoyTree supports the idea of a creative, largely apolitical, intellectual leadership of inspirers. That's a form of hierarchy, or at least contrast. But I think the better one is an ultra-traditional referent. The one already mentioned has its own growth potential but also provides the reference against which one could say, "How white am I (behaving) compared to..."

    Alternate groups, such as National Socialism or WCOTC, don't work as social referent because they are TOO political and lack a working economic, small-group model.

    What seems obvious, whether talking political ambition or diasporic survival, is that there are still millions of whites that form a recruitment pool. I don't think we can write them off yet.

    Still Siegfried's concern is valid for any small group. On the one hand there would be an inclination to grab anyone interested. On the other, there's no "quality control" mechanism.

    For a diasporic group, control can come in three main forms.

    Recruit filtering - rejecting hot heads, criminals, et al
    Environmental testing - able to pull their own weight. In an Amish-like diaspora, one has to be a minimally profitable farmer.
    Group censur - Until recently, the Jews employed excommunication and often much, much worse punishments. Social discipline is effective in very close-knit groups. The Amish use, to great effect, shunning or more often, the threat of shunning.

    I believe there is some validity in protecting the "ethnos in an embryonic stage" if we're talking about 'a new beginning' and an exceedingly patient approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnionPeeler
    But I gather Siegfried is talking community or diasporic survival.
    That was indeed what I was talking about. I have lost faith in 'the political way': we'll not be able to make any European country or the USA entirely White with a voting ballot. We'll need to organise somewhere, and then either secede, or make a grab for power.


    What seems obvious, whether talking political ambition or diasporic survival, is that there are still millions of whites that form a recruitment pool. I don't think we can write them off yet.
    I didn't mean to say we should write all of them off yet. I merely meant that certain groups in 'the movement' are so eager to recruit, that they accept the wrong people (the Aryan Nations, for example). It's really no wonder the racialist movement has such an image-problem.

    Recruit filtering - rejecting hot heads, criminals, et al
    Environmental testing - able to pull their own weight. In an Amish-like diaspora, one has to be a minimally profitable farmer.
    Group censur - Until recently, the Jews employed excommunication and often much, much worse punishments. Social discipline is effective in very close-knit groups. The Amish use, to great effect, shunning or more often, the threat of shunning.
    That is exactly what I think we should do.
    Recruit filtering is very important; the Aryan Nations-project got infiltrated by government agents, which is something we'll have to prevent at any cost.

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    Stríbog;"Actually, the separate subraces are products of Nature. The artificial umbrella 'White' mentality is a construct".

    Moody Lawless; Illogical. If subraces exist, then they must be subs- of a race; that is what sub-race means. The subraces like Nordics, are not subraces of the Negro race, are they?
    No, the Nordics are a White subrace; therefore the White race is a product of Nature if the subraces are,

    Stribog; "I know some blacks that are more intelligent and upright than a lot of Anglo-Celtic trash I have seen".

    ML; I am not even going to dignify that remark with the hundreds of epithets that jostle in my mind as I read it. It is enough for me to know that this remark of yours will haunt you later when you think more deeply about things.

    Stribog; "To say someone is better just because of the color of their skin defeats the whole point of racial biology".

    ML; Our conception of Race goes far beyond shallow skin-colour - it is the anti-Racists who try and reduce Race to skin-colour.

    Stribog; "It's about the statistics; which populations are better at what. Sure there are smart blacks and stupid whites. I can respect the decent blacks while recognizing the general trends. I also have no tolerance for some trailer-dwelling redneck just because they are 'white.' I'd just as soon see them deported.

    ML; There are only "lies, damn lies and statistics.
    You can manipulate statistics to suit yourself; what matters here is Race-Feeling, or Race-Soul.
    What you said of 'red-necks' makes me want to vomit.
    Again, I will respect this board by refraining from putting my feelings into words.
    Let it be known that I am seething with anger at this moment, and so must log off ...
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    Siegfried Aurelius; "I did not say it was a flawed construct".

    Moody Lawless; The term 'construct' is usually used by Deconstructionists to debunk Western Culture.

    Siegfried; "If a Negro with an IQ of 100 ... loves his race and is willing to fight for it, I consider him 'superior' to the White race-traitor ..."

    ML; That still does not make him RACIALLY SUPERIOR. Indeed, I would have even less sympathy for such a Negro as he would be dangerous to the survival of the White Race [let's face it, he would HAVE to take a White wife, wouldn't he?]

    Siegfried; "At this point we need to form a sort of 'state within the state', just like the Jews did for centuries".

    ML; I reject this as defeatist. I also regard the methods used by the Jews as revolting.

    Siegfried; "If we do not want to sink to the level of the Negro, we will have to be harsh on the lower elements of our race".

    ML; The White Race could never sink that low; I also object to adopting the enemy's vocabulary of 'White Trash' and 'Redneck' etc., I find such words as Traitorious.
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