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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    I highly doubt this is achievable through a free market. In fact, the only thing capitalism has going for it from a racial perspective is that it allows freedom of association. Blacks are still able to buy up white land, as are Jews, Mesitzos and Asians. Government is incapacitated from enforcing borders precisely because this would infringe on the 'rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness' of the immigrants. Even without welfare, there is nothing stopping (within the idea of property rights) mass migration into white countries. Government turns from being the power-expression of a population into an administration that does little more than collects voluntary tax (that's right, otherwise the Government is violating the private property rights of its population) for the purposes of maintaining an Army and a Police force to make sure the private property rights of its citizens aren't violated.
    In a libertarian framework Blacks/jews/mesitzos/asians wouldn't be able gain access to "white" land if the community as a whole wished to remain homogeneous. It would be an expectation that land is only sold to people within the scope of the collectives self interest. Thus if someone decided to be selfish, and sell land to people of inconsonant origin, the community would be able to use abstaining means to drive the aliens out. Harrassment throughout the community and discrimination, to the point where employment becomes an impossibility is a good example of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    Freud worked miracles for capitalism: he uncovered the two basic elements of human instincts - sex and aggression. Appeal to those instincts and you will get results. That discovery will not be lost. So the question essentially remains, either an inquisition of sorts against Freudianism begins, or a sort of socialism is to be instituted. Otherwise, white 'culture' remains what it is now - little more than a billion varieties and mixes of sex and violence for sale.
    My understanding of psychology is pretty limited. I am aquainted with freuds basic psychoanalytic theory, but i have never read much further into him than that. I kinda feel he (like most modern therapists) put far too much significance on enviroment. He seems to treat everyone equal at birth, and explains that all behaviors/personalities can be connoted to the way in which enviroments interact with the unconscious sexual impulses of the "ID". Today we possess the foresight of genetics which infer innate characteristics play a huge (perhaps even an unequivocal role) in personality development - I for one feel they play a far more pivital function than enviroments do. Thus modern psychology comes across as more of a politically motivated slave morality than a substantiated science ....thats not to say it isn't useful and interesting, i just feel people place far too much importance unto it today.

    - Regarding his commentaries regarding sexuality and violence; yes they are marketable to most, but not all people in a capitalist society. Again I guess it comes down to a question of whether you want to dogmatically dictate whats best for the majority, or whether you want to lead esoterically, by example, and let the majority join at their own pace and free will........

    I think aggression is marketable today because people lack outlets to express it within their own lives. Consequently they seek it out in art or "entertainment" as a form of catharsis, which is inevitably self defeating.
    Sexuality is overly marketable due to the hendonistic rejection of western morality, and i guess exemplifies the destruction of traditional values in favor of animalistic, capricious and debaucherous licentiousness. All of which connote with the acceptance and reverential respect western nations now place on negroid culture...
    Not that I'm anti-sexuality or for sexual repression either. It's just it's all to obvious that the way in which it manifests itself today is in complete diamentric with the honor/heroic ideals which typifies european culture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    Fair or right for what? That is the question. The ends subjectively justifies the means.
    true, however ends can be strived for in a variety of different ways - obviously some means achieve the ends more efficiently than others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    If we are to speak to power-as-fact, then taxation is a means of control and coordination by the few over the many. Which it is. And there is nothing to say taxation must redistribute to the decadentv - only that it presently does. Taxation, as the means by which the State (as an organisation asserting the soveriegn privelige of power to impose violence over a section of territory) controls and coordinates the resources it guards, could in fact be a means by which a population can survive, enhance and expand itself. That this is not presently being done by Europe or any of its nations does not mean that it should be done away with - only that the ends it attempts to achieve should be radically changed and the means it uses should be modified.
    I understand your idea, but from an economic perspective, it's an undisputed fact that command based economic decisions are always inefficient in attaining material wealth and technological progression in comparison to free trade.

    You might argue that these things are sacrificial in attaining biological cultural necessities, however i feel they can be both achieved simultaneously within a libertarian framework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Aurelius
    Some thoughts on the economy I had this afternoon:

    A nation's economy should be as independent as possible to protect its culture from being too much influenced by aliens (boycotting import, no 'colonies' of foreign corporations on its soil, etc). Aside from that, the State shouldn't do much more than prevent the rise of monopolies, and secure a minimum wage for the workers. I think such a 'national capitalist' economy might be a good alternative to Global Capitalism and Marxism/Socialism.
    I have to agree with you. That really is all our country startedout to be, but we are far to relient on aliens and foreign nations. What do you know about juris naturalism? It seems to be what you are describing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilist
    In a libertarian framework Blacks/jews/mesitzos/asians wouldn't be able gain access to "white" land if the community as a whole wished to remain homogeneous. It would be an expectation that land is only sold to people within the scope of the collectives self interest. Thus if someone decided to be selfish, and sell land to people of inconsonant origin, the community would be able to use abstaining means to drive the aliens out. Harrassment throughout the community and discrimination, to the point where employment becomes an impossibility is a good example of this.
    The issue is bringing this situation - where the entire European world as a whole is racialist - without violating the rights to 'life, liberty and pursuit of happiness' of all Leftists who run the universities, whose disciples fill the entire media-entertainment complexes, and the Jews who run the corporations and manipulate the media-entertainment corporate systems through buying up advertising space. The revolution of values can't be accomplished within a capitalist framework - no doubt capitalism can take place post-revolution, but I don't think it provides an adequate field for the revolution itself to take place.

    My understanding of psychology is pretty limited. I am aquainted with freuds basic psychoanalytic theory, but i have never read much further into him than that. I kinda feel he (like most modern therapists) put far too much significance on enviroment. He seems to treat everyone equal at birth, and explains that all behaviors/personalities can be connoted to the way in which enviroments interact with the unconscious sexual impulses of the "ID". Today we possess the foresight of genetics which infer innate characteristics play a huge (perhaps even an unequivocal role) in personality development - I for one feel they play a far more pivital function than enviroments do. Thus modern psychology comes across as more of a politically motivated slave morality than a substantiated science ....thats not to say it isn't useful and interesting, i just feel people place far too much importance unto it today.
    I agree. Most psychology is rubbish. Hopefully, with the rise of evolutionary psychology, something decent can come into existance.

    - Regarding his commentaries regarding sexuality and violence; yes they are marketable to most, but not all people in a capitalist society. Again I guess it comes down to a question of whether you want to dogmatically dictate whats best for the majority, or whether you want to lead esoterically, by example, and let the majority join at their own pace and free will........
    Or it comes down to questions of intentions (save the European world) and time (how long do we have to do it?). I don't think we have time for the masses to slowly come around and start buying different products and pull the rug out from under the Jews through capitalism and 'harassing' racial foreigners by not associating with them. People are too stupid, too indoctrinated, and there is not enough time. If we had time, I'd suggest a long march through the institutions as Antonio Gramsci advocated, and we'd do it all without having any real problems. But we don't.

    I think aggression is marketable today because people lack outlets to express it within their own lives. Consequently they seek it out in art or "entertainment" as a form of catharsis, which is inevitably self defeating.
    Sexuality is overly marketable due to the hendonistic rejection of western morality, and i guess exemplifies the destruction of traditional values in favor of animalistic, capricious and debaucherous licentiousness. All of which connote with the acceptance and reverential respect western nations now place on negroid culture...
    Not that I'm anti-sexuality or for sexual repression either. It's just it's all to obvious that the way in which it manifests itself today is in complete diamentric with the honor/heroic ideals which typifies european culture.
    I agree. What is needed is a strengthening (or perhaps strong emphasis) of the European will to power along its natural currents (ingroup brotherhood, outgroup enmnity, respect for women and elders, respect for one's opponents, self discipline, determination, resourcefulness, honesty, self respect and the desire to accumulate knowledge). I think this could wash away the negoid culture fairly easily, but in order for those who display these qualities to become socially recognised/emulated, there's going to need to be a crisis (or several of them) in which these qualities are valued over everything currently considered 'normal' (i.e. degenerate).


    I understand your idea, but from an economic perspective, it's an undisputed fact that command based economic decisions are always inefficient in attaining material wealth and technological progression in comparison to free trade.
    Of course, I certainly agree. But in the near future, capitalism is either going to be threatened by pro-white Governments (because it permits, even though both of us know the welfare state is what actually encouraged, nonwhites to get into European countries) or it will breakdown totally under the pressures of taxation to support/suppress non-European minorities (/majorities?) by anti-white Governments who want to keep the problems from spilling into something uncontrollable. And if it breaks down, the libetarian option is vapourised.

    You might argue that these things are sacrificial in attaining biological cultural necessities, however i feel they can be both achieved simultaneously within a libertarian framework.
    It would indeed be nice if they could be. But I don't think they can. It'd be nice if I could be proved wrong, but from everything I can tell, I don't think I will be.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Aloysha; "Nationalists need to be socialists if they are going to stand on two legs as far as logic goes.
    First, because Capitalism leaves people free to recruit third worlders into their companies, when the jobs could go to native whites.
    Second, Capitalism leaves individuals free to sell their (land) property to non-whites, and under Capitalism there is no reason not to let it happen.
    Third, Capitalism aims to sell whatever the consumers are willing to buy. The fact is that sex and violence appeal to people, and so - suprise! Our culture is built on the mass manufacturing, in various forms, of sex and violence. International capitalism (national capitalism is a contradiction - any form of government control/restriction is socialist because it places the community above the individual in importance) has the wonderful effect of homogenising world cultures".

    Moody Lawless; I agree with you here. Also, to put it simply; every ideology [or '-ism'] describes what it gives 'ultimate concern' to.
    Therefore 'capital-ism' vaunts capital, while 'racial nationalism' vaunts race and nation.
    So the question is, - 'what is your ultimate concern'?
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