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    [QUOTE=Phlegethon]The U.S.A. are a perfect example of how this concept still adhered to. They are crying for free markets but do not allow imports. When they cannot compete economically they threaten, sanction and eventually bomb their competitors.

    Sore loser...

    Whether it's a scam or not... we're winning.

    What do you think of how we're gonna turn Russia on to some of OUR oil ???


    I say STARVE if it pleases you, but when ever you guys get ready... let us know and we'll turn you on to some of OUR oil too! Send us some troops ... oh, that's right... your troops are actually... we'll hell, it's U.S.

    How do you like having American military bases in your country??? :fknight:

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    Just another BLOODY AMERICAN!, :unclesam

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    I think its funny how free market capitalists can rant and rave about socialism yet they support globalisation and buying from red china on the world market.

    It seems to me if they hated socialism that much they wouldnt support funding the communist party through capitalism. Then on the other hand if the reds supported socialism that much they wouldnt buy and sell on the global market. just goes to show both systems dont work i suppose.

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    Some thoughts on the economy I had this afternoon:

    A nation's economy should be as independent as possible to protect its culture from being too much influenced by aliens (boycotting import, no 'colonies' of foreign corporations on its soil, etc). Aside from that, the State shouldn't do much more than prevent the rise of monopolies, and secure a minimum wage for the workers. I think such a 'national capitalist' economy might be a good alternative to Global Capitalism and Marxism/Socialism.

    Maybe I'll order a pro-capitalist book from Rand soon.

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    Siegfriend, Atlas Shrugged is probably the best book you can get. And I will still tear you apart in an argument if you turn Objectivist-Capitalist, supposing you want to throw Nationalism in there
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilist
    I'm kind of disappointed with the amount of socialist ideals which burgeon from nationalist/preservationist philosophies these days.
    It seems to me alot of people here are pretty naive to modern economics, and are far more fond of reading superfluous marxist nonsense than real practical economic theories.

    It was modern economic theory and the way it connotes with darwins survival of the fittest, which lead me to studies such as the bell curve, G factor ect, which inspired my interest in racial preservation...

    ...thus it came as a big suprise when I started hearing WN ranting on about how terrible free market economics is, and how socialism, marxism ect has many great ideas..

    Id rather be dead than red.
    Nationalists need to be socialists if they are going to stand on two legs as far as logic goes. First, because Capitalism leaves people free to recruit third worlders into their companies, when the jobs could go to native whites. Second, Capitalism leaves individuals free to sell their (land) property to non-whites, and under Capitalism there is no reason not to let it happen. Third, Capitalism aims to sell whatever the consumers are willing to buy. The fact is that sex and violence appeal to people, and so - suprise! Our culture is built on the mass manufacturing, in various forms, of sex and violence. International capitalism (national capitalism is a contradiction - any form of government control/restriction is socialist because it places the community above the individual in importance) has the wonderful effect of homogenising world cultures. Ideologies are a lot more complicated than 'Red vs White', nihilist. Marxism isn't the only socialism.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    Nationalists need to be socialists if they are going to stand on two legs as far as logic goes. First, because Capitalism leaves people free to recruit third worlders into their companies, when the jobs could go to native whites. Second, Capitalism leaves individuals free to sell their (land) property to non-whites, and under Capitalism there is no reason not to let it happen. Third, Capitalism aims to sell whatever the consumers are willing to buy. The fact is that sex and violence appeal to people, and so - suprise! Our culture is built on the mass manufacturing, in various forms, of sex and violence. International capitalism (national capitalism is a contradiction - any form of government control/restriction is socialist because it places the community above the individual in importance) has the wonderful effect of homogenising world cultures. Ideologies are a lot more complicated than 'Red vs White', nihilist. Marxism isn't the only socialism.
    You might have a point here. Unchecked capitalism is indeed incompatible with nationalism. But instead of having to work for the community, and then receive food and money from the community (which is the ultimate goal of communism as I understand it), everyone should be able to work for himself, and start his own business, as long as his economic strategies do not harm the nation.

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    What this effectively means is that the community owns the land and leases it to its citizens on a contract basis. That's a variety of socialism. I haven't given it a name yet...
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    Siegfriend, Atlas Shrugged is probably the best book you can get.
    I have been unable so far to explain the Anglo-Saxon fascination with the plagiarist and egomaniac Ayn Rand. In the German world she is a complete non-entity.
    And all my youth passed by sad-hearted,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    What this effectively means is that the community owns the land and leases it to its citizens on a contract basis. That's a variety of socialism. I haven't given it a name yet...
    With a few adjustments, couldn't it also result in some form of feudalism? I really have to read up on this stuff...

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    Phelethon - It's because she's not hard to understand, and she built (can you support the plagiarism claim? I've never heard that accusation before...) an entire system from the foundations upwards without relying on 'God' or any unexplainable phenomenon, and ended up with libetarianism. Now if she really took her philosophy to the next level, you would have Anarchist-Capitalism. But she wouldn't do that

    Siegfriend Aurelius: Feudalism? That depends on your government system, not the economics. You could have some sort of fluid meritocracy within this socialist system, or a dictatorship (which would mean while the community owns the land, only one person acts as the executor of decisions), or any sort of system.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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