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    Re: Check List for Human Progressiveness

    Look beyond yourselves...to the superman.

    Here is another:

    great curvature in the lower and upper back / little curvature in the spine
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    AW: Re: Check List for Human Progressiveness

    Quote Originally Posted by Patriote View Post
    Is there such thing as a progressive short man for example? Does height and stature plays an important role in progressiveness or facial characteristics are much more important?
    Craniofacial traits and proportions are far more important than dimension/size/height, since huge-tall people can be primitive and small-short one overall progressive - even though very short build is for sure not ideal nor typical for juvenile-mature variants.
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    Sv: Check List for Human Progressiveness

    Quote Originally Posted by tinman View Post
    These traits I consider progressive because they are farthest removed from the ape form and are found among humans. These are only the more obvious ones. There certainly are others.

    Progressive / Archaic
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    Short torso / Long torso
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    Long straight legs / Short legs
    Not sure about this one, as far as I know australoids and negroids are the (more primitive) races with lowest sitting height ratio (SHR), i.e. longest limbs and shortest torso

    Australoids - 45-49% (i.e. sitting height is 45-49% of the total height, long legs)
    Blacks - 50-52%
    White - 51-53%
    Asians - 53%+ (short legs)

    But generally the taller a person is, the lower the SHR. For white swimmers with average height of 190 cm average SHR is 51%. But in general, a 180 cm tall negroid standing beside a white man of the same hight, will have slightly longer legs -- one of the reasons why blacks dominate in sports. Also, females have both relatively and absolutely shorter limbs, so their SHR is higher.

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    Re: Check List for Human Progressiveness

    Quote Originally Posted by Glyndŵr View Post
    Well, from that table I only have maybe 6 or 7 traits which can be considered progressive. I guess I'm a Homo Erectus too.
    I get about 7 or 8 "progressive" traits. Not convinced.
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    AW: Check List for Human Progressiveness

    Not sure about this one, as far as I know australoids and negroids are the (more primitive) races with lowest sitting height ratio (SHR), i.e. longest limbs and shortest torso
    The absolute and relative lengths is neither progressive nor primitive. Originally it was more progressive and still is because being more versatile, but in some groups there was a decrease of limb lengths because they went into very cold regions (distant-long extremities being a disadvantage then - Borealisation with shortening legs) or became reduced in unfavourable ones which results in shorter limbs too.

    So because of being a typically human and more versatile trait longer legs are progressive, but shorter ones are not primitive in most groups, but rather a later adaptation to a specific (colder or unfavourable) environment alone. Leg lengths is therefore of secondary for racial progressiveness, but more important for generally advantageous (in that way progressive) traits, at least outside of the cold zones.
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    Sv: AW: Check List for Human Progressiveness

    People with short legs not because of borealisation, but as a primitive trait, do they exist then? (Since all the primitive races are long-legged...)

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    The absolute and relative lengths is neither progressive nor primitive. Originally it was more progressive and still is because being more versatile, but in some groups there was a decrease of limb lengths because they went into very cold regions (distant-long extremities being a disadvantage then - Borealisation with shortening legs) or became reduced in unfavourable ones which results in shorter limbs too.

    So because of being a typically human and more versatile trait longer legs are progressive, but shorter ones are not primitive in most groups, but rather a later adaptation to a specific (colder or unfavourable) environment alone. Leg lengths is therefore of secondary for racial progressiveness, but more important for generally advantageous (in that way progressive) traits, at least outside of the cold zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldgrube View Post
    People with short legs not because of borealisation, but as a primitive trait, do they exist then? (Since all the primitive races are long-legged...)
    Well, thats a good question which I can't answer. The original very primitive Hominid groups with shorter legs were all extinct, this was a pre-Hominid state mostly. Neandertals gone extinct too. The early sapiens, including the more progressive Cro-Magnon people of Europe, were all rather long legged, as far as we know it.
    An interesting problem comes up with African Pygmies. In their case its obvious that the extreme short legged body being at the same time primtive and infantile, and that this was a secondary development. But a shorter legged Proto-Bambutid form could have already existed and since they are by certain racial-physical as well as genetic traits one of the most primtive groups on this planet, they could serve as an example.
    But the record is too sparse to give a definitive answer on that. The East African archaic sapiens groups which colonised the rest of the world were (relatively) long legged though at start, thats for sure.
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    Re: Check List for Human Progressiveness

    Progressive / Archaic
    Coarse hair [A]
    Strong brow ridge [A]
    High steep forehead [P]
    Small eyes [P]
    Big ears [P]
    High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose [P]
    Compressed zygomatic arches [P]
    Square jaw [A]
    Large teeth [A]
    Strong prominent chin [P]
    Long neck [P]
    Long torso [A]
    Long arms [A]
    Wide, short pelvis [P]
    Short legs [A]

    I seem to have a balance of traits

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    Progressive / Archaic

    Fine hair / Course hair
    Weak brow ridge / Strong brow ridge
    High steep forehead / Low or strongly receeding forehead
    Small eyes / Big eyes
    Big ears / Small ears
    High rooted, high bridged, long thin nose / Low rooted, low bridge, short wide nose
    Compressed zygomatic arches / Large prominent cheek bones
    Compressed gonial angles / Square jaw
    Small teeth / Large teeth
    Strong prominent chin / Weak receeding chin
    Long neck / Short neck
    Short torso / Long torso
    Short arms / Long arms -- My arm span is equal to my height. I don't know how that would rank.
    Wide, short pelvis / Long narrow pelvis -- I have a wide, short pelvis.
    Long straight legs / Short legs -- My legs were measured for purchasing a bicycle and are apparently perfectly proportional.

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