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  • I am a Teuton and would prefer a non-Nordic Teuton.

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  • I am a Teuton and would prefer a non-Teutonic Nordic.

    48 33.80%
  • I am a Teuton but I am unconfident.

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Thread: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    I think there is a flaw in denoting the Algerian as a "Nordic" - maybe para-Nordic or psuedo-Nordic, but still not genetically/phenotypically Nordic. Has she been measured as Nordic? IOW, it would be a redefinition of Nordic. So - what about 'Teutonic' people of Black African descent (ie, Teutonic mother, African-American father - raised in Germany)? If one can bend a definition of a physical term: Nordic, then can one apply the same to a cultural term: Teutonic. (I'll be a purist here, and claim the original Tuetons were Gauls.)
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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?


    Algeria, blond Kabyle

    Racial characteristics carry more weight in the long run. A Mediterranid in England is no Englishman.

    "The p-Celtic languages are almost universally associated with the invaders of Britain in the pre-Roman Iron Age (the La Tène period). That these men occupied south-east Britain to a considerable extent there can be no doubt, and it is highly probable that their physical type is far more characteristic of the English plain to-day than any part of Wales, save for the Severn valley. Yet it is Wales that talks the p-Celtic language, which may have reached it in Roman times, while the Severn valley and the English plain have taken to English speech. Thus we see how inadvisable it is to speak of language-groups as race-groups."

    Herbert John Fleure, D.Sc, The Peoples Of Europe, Language Families, p. 19, Oxford University Press, London, 1925.
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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    I would rather marry a German, I don't care what they are. By German, I obviously mean someone who isn't half-black (what a stupid statement). I want my children to be raised in their culture, first and foremost. The darkest haired Dinaric or Alpine German from Saxony is more racially appealing to me than any "Nordic" North American, at least I can be reasonably certain she isn't 1/64th black or 1/16th Cherokee or has some sort of strange admixture. With Americans, one never knows. The rumor of having a black ancestor haunts them more than most Europeans realize. I feel a certain degree of compassion for them, but not when they attack my people because of their own racial insecurity.
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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone
    I would prefer the option which was not stated, i.e. Teuton and Nordic.
    But that would be an easy choice.

    However, given the range of options, I opted for the second choice. Why? Simply because race runs deeper than ethnicity, and especially meta-ethnicity.
    Ok, this is what I don't believe, and I tell you why.

    I agree that blood is thicker than water but what is blood? Blood refers to the family, water to other relationships like friends, religion, politics, etc. But the extended family is the tribe or ethnicity and not the race.

    I believe that the tribe runs deeper than race. Look at wars, for example. I said this to Anarch once: there was never a race war in history. Never in history did the Nordics of Europe, from Spain to Russia, unite against other races. But all over history, tribes and ethnicities composed of different races fought other tribes and ethnicities composed of different races, often even the same races, because the tribe is the family.

    I believe that the tribe runs deeper than race. The tribe is the family and the family is a genetic unit. All charts and data I've ever seen suggest that the members of an ethnicity are genetically closely related. That makes sense because they have bred with each other for hundreds if not thousands of years. They are composed of different races and people look sometimes very different (Nordic, Dinaric, Alpine, etc.) but they are related.

    You can see this even in the immediate family.

    A family from Denmark:
    http://www.laksefeber.dk/images/2000...0juli%2000.jpg

    I don't know much about this classification business. In fact, I don't believe in it, so I never bothered, because I remember that 10 people gave me 10 different classifications: http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...7&postcount=31

    So you look at the people yourself and assign the races. But I see long-headed people, square-headed people, round-headed people... people with dark curly hair and people with red and blond hair. But they are all related....

    There is a German family from Helgoland, portraying three generations:
    http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.p...chmentid=47375

    The kids are brother and sister. You assign the race. But I believe they have genetically more in common with each other than a Nordic from England and a Nordic from Russia.

    I see this all the time. Types changing and reappearing in our people. There was a fancy picture in a paper I saw yesterday: father strawberry blond to brunette, mother dark-brown hair. I would say they both looked robust, but the son was more like a light-blond Nordic, while the daughter looked more like her:
    http://www.airshow-magazin.de/images/payerne_show46.jpg

    I wondered how darker people can have children with very blond hair. The boy was at least 16 or 17. I think it is because tribes and ethnicities are related, the genes are there recessively and they recombine.

    A non-Teutonic Nordic child can be taught to learn Germanic culture, and be thus transformed into a Teuton for all practical purposes. However, a non-Nordic person can never become Nordic, because race is less superficial than culture and language.
    I was sent a picture once of "exotic" Nordics from Arabia. What do they and the Spanish Nordics have to do with us?

    I think Franz_Josef and Glenlivet understand what I mean. This UP woman Franz posted is a good example. What does this woman have to do with us? Should I believe that her genes fit into Germany or America despite the fact that probley all her ancestors were bred in Africa? Appearance can be deceiving.... I don't know how to express this but there is maybe something like pseudo-appearance.

    The true Nordics are almost all Germanic. I am not sure if it does something good to assimilate Nordic-looking people from Spain, Italy, Greece and the Balkans.

    My two cents, especially for Discordia.
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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Haldís
    I believe that the tribe runs deeper than race. The tribe is the family and the family is a genetic unit. All charts and data I've ever seen suggest that the members of an ethnicity are genetically closely related. That makes sense because they have bred with each other for hundreds if not thousands of years. They are composed of different races and people look sometimes very different (Nordic, Dinaric, Alpine, etc.) but they are related.
    Quote Originally Posted by Haldís
    So you look at the people yourself and assign the races. But I see long-headed people, square-headed people, round-headed people... people with dark curly hair and people with red and blond hair. But they are all related....
    Quote Originally Posted by Haldís
    There is a German family from Helgoland, portraying three generations:
    http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.p...chmentid=47375
    The kids are brother and sister. You assign the race. But I believe they have genetically more in common with each other than a Nordic from England and a Nordic from Russia.
    I agree (but check the remark ),
    I always liked the example of the blonde nordic looking Italian and his neighbour who is a dark alpine, if purely based on anthropometrica you would say that the nordic looking guy is closer to a Scandinavian than to his neighbour, but genetics may prove that he might even be further away(Hence, one of the neighbour his forfathers was a Dane).



    Quote Originally Posted by Haldís
    I don't know much about this classification business. In fact, I don't believe in it, so I never bothered, because I remember that 10 people gave me 10 different classifications: http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...7&postcount=31
    Well I partly agree because Agrippa was right on mine

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=41874


    Quote Originally Posted by Haldís
    I see this all the time. Types changing and reappearing in our people. There was a fancy picture in a paper I saw yesterday: father strawberry blond to brunette, mother dark-brown hair. I would say they both looked robust, but the son was more like a light-blond Nordic, while the daughter looked more like her:
    http://www.airshow-magazin.de/images/payerne_show46.jpg
    My family is the same thing somewhat
    My father and mother are Anglosaxon, I'm somewhat the same mix, but my sister is Keltic-Nordid or Nordid + Atlantid

    Remark

    But I also think if a certain phenotype is dominant in the family / tribe,
    e.g. the forfathers all look nordid or corded or etc.. the chance is the greatest that offspring will look the same of course

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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerled
    I agree (but check the remark ),
    I always liked the example of the blonde nordic looking Italian and his neighbour who is a dark alpine, if purely based on anthropometrica you would say that the nordic looking guy is closer to a Scandinavian than to his neighbour, but genetics may prove that he might even be further away(Hence, one of the neighbour his forfathers was a Dane).
    That's what I think also. Latin, Slavic and Germanic Nordics resemble each other superficially but genetically they are different.

    Population samples from Germany and Russia also showed similarities to Polish populations, with relatively small RST-values on pairwise comparisons (0.0176-0.097). It is noteworthy that all but one of the comparisons between the six Polish populations and the Russians revealed statistically non-significant differences (0.05 0.001). These genetic similarities are most probably a result of the common Slavic origin. On the other hand, small genetic distances between all of the Polish-German population pairs were statistically significant (P<0.0001), which might reflect the different background of Slavic-speaking and German-speaking populations. The significant differences revealed between Polish and German samples are especially striking, since the two populations have had close contact during the last millennium and both have inhabited the territory of present-day Poland. This demonstrates a continuous lack of admixture between Germans and Poles, most probably for social, religious and cultural reasons.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

    My family told me I have little Polish but that's only because my father's family is from America. I am not even sure. It's one of these rumors that are afloat among my uncle's kin. Because nobody can point to a Polish name, I now begin to believe that they just want to be Polish to be exotic. I am also Finnic and Lithuanian, and tomorrow I will probley be native American or from Hawaii.

    With Southern Europeans it's far worse, btw:



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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    I am a Teuton and would prefer a non-Nordic Teuton.
    I am not sure that I chose correctly.






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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    Ethnic unity is more important then sub-racial unity.

    Common sense indicates that most German Nationalists/Racialist's would prefer a brown haired/eyed Dinaric German from Bavaria over a Blonde haired blue eyed Nordic Polish immigrant.

    Austrian Nationalist's should prefer an Alpinid Austrian over some Nordic looking Bosniak.

    Hopefully, British Nationalist's would prefer the most darkly featured Paleo-Atlantid or the swarthiest Atlanto-Med over a Nordic looking Jew.

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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    I'm partially Teuton, mostly Slav though, and I seek someone of a similar mix.

    Based solely on features, another Pontid/Dinarid/Alpinid would be most attractive to me.

    Though subrace matters somewhat to me, White is White.

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    Re: Nordicism or Teutonicism?

    How about "I am a Nordic Teuton and would prefer a Nordic Teuton."?!

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