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    Post Examples of Racially Progressive Individuals

    ... mainly from anthropological plates or at least from clear photographs in normal frontal-profile position. By posting them I can see if the people understood what I meant and if those who understood have still somewhat deviating impressions based on "taste". It should be obvious that certain features are of more, others of less importance and that the whole feature combination, not single features, make up a progressive individual and racial type.

    I should add that progressive and attractive are not the same, though for most people progressive individuals are more attractive than primitive ones so to say. That has many reasons, one is the correlation with a "more intelligent, refined look", the other the balanced Neotenic tendencies in progressive racial types. Attractiveness is a positive feature for itself but has just indirectly something to do with race (statistically). I usually use attractive or harmonious if I mean good looking obviously, though harmonious means already more in some cases - namely balanced. But just because progressive types (not necessarily individuals) look often (not always) better on average doesnt mean that progressive is good-looking obviously - if single features are too extreme, no longer balanced, than, this individual can't be considered primitive-archemorphic nor infantile-paedomorphic obviously, is still progressive, but rather a negative deviation on the way to the progressive Hominisation (f.e. extreme dimensions out of proportion).

    About racially progressive tendencies in our species:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...458#post344458

    Some examples:

    Very progressive peak types predominantely of the Nordid racial type:




    Very progressive pred. Nordid Female:



    Progressive Nordid male:



    Very progressive Eastnordid example after Lundman (thanks Glen):




    Very progressive male, "Corded" according to Coon:




    Progressive male and female of Nordid racial type:




    Progressive Westmediterranid male:




    Progressive pred. Atlantomediterranid-Atlantid female with balanced Neoteny:




    Progressive types of different races - Mongolid Japanese and Nordid German:




    Progressive female examples of different races - Mongolid Sinid and pred. Nordid female:






    More female examples:

    Very progressive Czech female:




    Very progressive and attractive Raquel Zimmermann:

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    Post Re: Post examples of racially progressive individuals

    But some so-called "progressive individuals" are definitely ugly.If these individuals are anthropological tendence,I feel horrible

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    progressive mongoloids?


    ...and about the last pic, those two are only friends. it was the only decent side profile pic i could find.
























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    Post Re: Post examples of racially progressive individuals

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNinja
    But some so-called "progressive individuals" are definitely ugly.If these individuals are anthropological tendence,I feel horrible
    Unfortunately progressive tendencies are not furthered by the current socioeconomic and political developments, even on the contrary. As I said, progressive doesnt have to equal attractive, especially not for everybody and like I said elsewhere some people might prefer the appearances of rather unrefined or infantile individuals which just appeal to more simple and primitive "instincts". As we know some females prefer even brutal-primitive males and some males very reduced-infantile females - but thats rather a deviation because they just follow single triggers and neglect the whole picture - which is one sided as this non-progressive tendencies are.

    An old thread about beauty and progressiveness with some Mongolid examples as well:
    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=26711
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    From: "The Nordic face. A Glimpse of Iron Age Scandinavia"

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    The Work of Ivar Kamke


    While statistics relating to cranial measurements, blood groups and similarly measurable data speak to us clearly in mathematical terms, visual representation of the facial and head forms of individuals are also of interest. In particular while human population vary in almost every aspect of human physiology, the human face is perhaps the most readily observable and characteristic marker whose specific and significant variants are immediately recognizable by the layman as identifying and classifying individuals according to the specific breeding populations from which they derive their ancestry. There is nothing surprising about this. Facial and head forms are as much the product of genetic determinants as are blood groups, fingerprints, color of skin, eyes and hair.

    Anthropologically, the head is particularly important as the product of the latest advances in human evolution. It has been observed that the Australopithecines were essentially human up to the waist, that Homo erectus had become essentially modern up to the neck, bus was still most clearly non-sapiens as far as the head and face were concerned. It is in differences in the development of the head and face that post erectus hominids have made most progress – and differ the most obviously.

    Photography can be authoritatively used to record physiological characteristics, but photographic images can also be misleading unless produces under laboratory conditions, with regular and consistent lighting, and appropriate care is taken to delineate characteristics accurately. By contrast, the eye of the artist is capable of estimating and recording the most complex variety of physiological characteristics, which do not lend themselves readily to objective measurements and statistical interpretation. The Swedish artist Ivar Kamke, working in cooperation with the anthropologist Herman Lundborg, produced a unique collection of portraits which record the physiognomy of his subjects with substantial clarity. The results of his work provide us with a visual impression of what we may assume (based on historical knowledge and cranial consistencies with measured skulls) to be accurate indications of the appearance of the Hallstatt Nordids of Iron Age Sweden, the progenitors of so many migrant waves of the Folk Wandering period, who consequently contributed their genes to the populations of extensive parts of the European continent. A selection of these are here reproduced for the information of archaeologists and historians.

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    Post Re: Post examples of racially progressive individuals

    What you call progressive ( long faces, long noses, leptomorphism ,etc )could be considered as a tendency of gracilization / or '' mediterranization'' that was dispersed during the neolithic by the farmers and could has his genetic origins among the near east caucasoid agriculturalists.

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    Post Re: Post examples of racially progressive individuals

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    What you call progressive ( long faces, long noses, leptomorphism ,etc )could be considered as a tendency of gracilization / or '' mediterranization'' that was dispersed during the neolithic by the farmers and could has his genetic origins among the near east caucasoid agriculturalists.
    Though leptomorphisation can be considered progressive it is just progressive in combination with the real neomorphic features - and those evolved independently in the latest states of Hominisation whereas leptomorphy is more specific - such generally progressive traits, independent from leptomorphy and clearly important in the latest developments of sapiens are f.e. orthognathy, positive chin, narrower and higher rooted noses etc. What we see is that the most versatile and generally progressive types which have a dominant position for a given zone are in most of the cases for other, but still important reasons, mostly leptomorphic. For the leptomorphisation vs. Cromagnoid problem the climatic and social conditions are crucial for understanding. Cromagnoids are generally progressive as well.
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    Re: Post examples of racially progressive individuals

    Good example in my opinion:

    "With the miscegenation vary as much the form as the essence of the nations".
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    Re: Post examples of racially progressive individuals

    One more.

    "With the miscegenation vary as much the form as the essence of the nations".
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    Re: Post examples of racially progressive individuals

    Cromagnids are more progressive than Nordids and Mediterranids. Tungids and Sinids are more progressive than Cromagnids. Just because the Nordid is newer than the Cromagnid does not mean that the former is less archaic than the latter when they are fully measured. The newer Nordid is closer to Homo Erectus than the older Cromagnid, and thus is less progressive, a new variation on an older theme.

    From least progressive to most:

    Homo Erectus > Australoid > Capelloid > Cromagnoid > Mongoloid

    Neanderthals and Negrids are completely different but both are hard to place. The former can easily be argued to have been the most progressive to ever live. Indianids are also hard to place, for different reasons. They come in several very different types.
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