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    Post Aran

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    Measurements (mm)
    Height (cm)........................165 to 181
    Head Length.......................194 to 211
    Head Breadth......................147 to 162
    Minimum Frontal Breadth.......108 to 113
    Bizygomatic Diameter...........138 to 145
    Bigonial Diameter.................111 to 116
    Total Facial Height...............132 to 136
    Upper Facial Height...............76 to 78
    Nasal Height........................61 to 63
    Nasal Breadth......................37
    Biorbital Width.....................
    Interorbital Width.................
    Cephalic Index.....................70 to 84
    Facial Index.........................91 to 99
    Upper Facial Index.................52 to 57
    Nasal Index.........................59 to 61
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    Measurements (mm)
    Height (cm)........................175
    Head Length.......................192
    Head Breadth......................167
    Minimum Frontal Breadth.......118
    Bizygomatic Diameter...........148
    Bigonial Diameter.................122
    Total Facial Height...............130
    Upper Facial Height..............83
    Nasal Height........................61
    Nasal Breadth......................38
    Biorbital Width.....................94
    Interorbital Width.................41
    Cephalic Index.....................87
    Facial Index.........................88
    Upper Facial Index................56
    Nasal Index.........................62

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    Post Arabid Mediterranean

    ARABID MEDITERRANEAN

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    Measurements (mm)
    Height (cm)........................163 to 169
    Head Length.......................180 to 202
    Head Breadth......................135 to 147
    Minimum Frontal Breadth.......100 to 111
    Bizygomatic Diameter...........128 to 136
    Bigonial Diameter.................100 to 111
    Total Facial Height...............125 to 131
    Upper Facial Height..............75 to 79
    Nasal Height........................58 to 60
    Nasal Breadth......................31 to 37
    Biorbital Width.....................83 to 91
    Interorbital Width.................30 to 31
    Cephalic Index.....................67 to 82
    Facial Index.........................92 to 102
    Upper Facial Index................55 to 62
    Nasal Index.........................52 to 64
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    Measurements (mm)
    Height (cm)........................169 to 176
    Head Length.......................188 to 201
    Head Breadth......................148 to 153
    Minimum Frontal Breadth.......106 to 113
    Bizygomatic Diameter...........142 to 144
    Bigonial Diameter.................110 to 113
    Total Facial Height...............130 to 141
    Upper Facial Height..............77 to 83
    Nasal Height........................61 to 69
    Nasal Breadth......................35 to 38
    Biorbital Width.....................90 to 96
    Interorbital Width.................31 to 33
    Cephalic Index.....................74 to 81
    Facial Index.........................90 to 99
    Upper Facial Index................53 to 58
    Nasal Index.........................51 to 62
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    Height (cm)........................174
    Head Length.......................
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    Minimum Frontal Breadth.......
    Bizygomatic Diameter...........
    Bigonial Diameter.................
    Total Facial Height...............
    Upper Facial Height..............
    Nasal Height........................
    Nasal Breadth......................
    Biorbital Width.....................
    Interorbital Width.................
    Cephalic Index.....................70
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    Nasal Index.........................52

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    Post Western Mediterranean

    WESTERN MEDITERRANEAN

    Height and build


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    Measurements (mm)
    Height (cm)........................167 to 172
    Head Length.......................193 to 201
    Head Breadth......................144 to 153
    Minimum Frontal Breadth.......103 to 107
    Bizygomatic Diameter...........125 to 144
    Bigonial Diameter.................94 to 107
    Total Facial Height...............119 to 125
    Upper Facial Height..............66 to 79
    Nasal Height........................54 to 65
    Nasal Breadth......................30 to 37
    Biorbital Width.....................86 to 90
    Interorbital Width.................29 to 33
    Cephalic Index.....................72 to 79
    Facial Index.........................83 to 100
    Upper Facial Index................46 to 63
    Nasal Index.........................46 to 69
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    Post Southern European Mediterranean

    SOUTHERN EUROPEAN MEDITERRANEAN

    Height and build


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    Measurements (mm)
    Height (cm)........................159 to 168
    Head Length.......................187 to 196
    Head Breadth......................142 to 156
    Minimum Frontal Breadth.......106 to 111
    Bizygomatic Diameter...........128 to 141
    Bigonial Diameter.................99 to 103
    Total Facial Height...............114 to 132
    Upper Facial Height..............69 to 76
    Nasal Height........................53 to 57
    Nasal Breadth......................35 to 37
    Biorbital Width.....................89 to 98
    Interorbital Width.................33 to 36
    Cephalic Index.....................72 to 83
    Facial Index.........................81 to 103
    Upper Facial Index................49 to 59
    Nasal Index.........................61 to 70
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    Post What does a basic racial typology describe in Europe?

    What does a basic racial typology describe in Europe?

    I think a 5-7 race scheme is enough to describe the basic variation inside of Europe, the most important evolutionary tendencies, specialisations, races are mainly that and can change over time.

    My explanation would be as follows, there are basically 6-7 tendencies in Europe and we just see varying degrees and intermediate forms of them. But there can be more than one reason for that pattern, just to mention some:
    a) the simplest is (sub-)racial mixture.
    b) an evolutionary tendency can occur in various areas, but with a different specific direction, just parts of a type could have been realised for various reasons:
    -) the selective pressure in the direction of a type was there but not strong enough, so certain features were never selected or it would have need more time
    -) the pressure became too weak or changed before the type was fully realised
    -) the direction of the selective pressure changed after the type was realised - a typical form existed but was altered by changing conditions afterwards
    etc.

    So the types represent the "ideal goal" of a typical European evolutionary tendency which can be realised fully, partly, can be intermediate between two or more forms. In that way those which represent the typical or even extreme form of a tendency are "pure" phenotypically, those which deviate for whatever reason in another direction are "mixed" - crucial are those inherited features which are important for the specialisation and therefore the definiton of a type, an evolutionary tendency.

    About which influences might have played a role in forming the various subracial tendencies in Europe I already wrote various posts on this board, so I dont want to repeat it know, but just to discuss about the basic tendencies and relations.

    I made a rather rough and simplified graphic to illustrate what I mean, I didnt mentioned all variants I know of and some positions had to be a compromise - simply because of the limits of this simple 2dimensional graphic. As European I consider the basic circles of Nordid, Cromagnid, Dinarid, Mediterranid, Osteuropid and Alpinoid. The best representative form in the centre of the subrace is in brackets. Again this scheme is not meant to be perfect, but just a good illustration of some basic relations in Europe which I have in mind:

    Between Mediterranid and Dinarid "Baskid" could be placed, between Dinarid and Alpinoid "Carpathid".
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    Post Re: What does a basic racial typology describe in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    What does a basic racial typology describe in Europe?

    I think a 5-7 race scheme is enough to describe the basic variation inside of Europe, the most important evolutionary tendencies, specialisations, races are mainly that and can change over time.

    My explanation would be as follows, there are basically 6-7 tendencies in Europe and we just see varying degrees and intermediate forms of them. But there can be more than one reason for that pattern, just to mention some:
    a) the simplest is (sub-)racial mixture.
    b) an evolutionary tendency can occur in various areas, but with a different specific direction, just parts of a type could have been realised for various reasons:
    -) the selective pressure in the direction of a type was there but not strong enough, so certain features were never selected or it would have need more time
    -) the pressure became too weak or changed before the type was fully realised
    -) the direction of the selective pressure changed after the type was realised - a typical form existed but was altered by changing conditions afterwards
    etc.

    So the types represent the "ideal goal" of a typical European evolutionary tendency which can be realised fully, partly, can be intermediate between two or more forms. In that way those which represent the typical or even extreme form of a tendency are "pure" phenotypically, those which deviate for whatever reason in another direction are "mixed" - crucial are those inherited features which are important for the specialisation and therefore the definiton of a type, an evolutionary tendency.

    About which influences might have played a role in forming the various subracial tendencies in Europe I already wrote various posts on this board, so I dont want to repeat it know, but just to discuss about the basic tendencies and relations.

    I made a rather rough and simplified graphic to illustrate what I mean, I didnt mentioned all variants I know of and some positions had to be a compromise - simply because of the limits of this simple 2dimensional graphic. As European I consider the basic circles of Nordid, Cromagnid, Dinarid, Mediterranid, Osteuropid and Alpinoid. Again this scheme is not meant to be perfect, but just a good illustration of some basic relations in Europe which I have in mind:

    Between Mediterranid and Dinarid "Baskid" could be placed, between Dinarid and Alpinoid "Carpathid".
    So mediterranids are more close to Nordids than Osteuropids ??? How's that?

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    Post Re: What does a basic racial typology describe in Europe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skildur
    So mediterranids are more close to Nordids than Osteuropids ??? How's that?
    The transition from Nordid to Mediterranid is very important and reflects basically a dichotomy of robust and gracile forms in the Leptodolichomorphs of Europe. In terms of general specialisation its clear that both robust Mediterranid (Atlantomediterranid) and Dinarid forms are closer to Nordid than Baltid proper.

    But you must read it right, because Cromagnid can be included at least in Nordoid, what could be pointed out too. So there are two relations of Nordids, one to the other leptomorphics, one to the other forms of the North. The 2nd is represented by the Nordid transition to Cromagnid (f.e. Trönder). The transition between Nordid and Osteuropid was not possible in this graphic and as I said its far from perfect. The correlation between Cromagnoid and Mediterranoid was not to make as well if showing all primary correlations and types as well (Southern Cromagnoids: Berberid).

    But it would be basically like that: Nordid (Skandonordid) - Eastnordid - West Baltid/Eastcromagnoid (beginning of Osteuropid) - Baltid - Eastbaltid (ending of Osteuropid) - Lappoid. The connection to Nordid is not direct, but just through the "Nordic (Nordoid) connection" with Cromagnids - which are, in terms of specialisation, much closer to Baltid proper than standard Nordids.
    A connection to the Nordoid Cromagnids is clear since West Baltid/Eastcromagnid is Nordoid Cromagnid too and between Dalofaelid and Baltid. As are Borrebies between Cromagnid and Alpinoid...

    So there the basic poles (6) in Europe and fluent transition between them both due mixture and intermediate evolutionary positions I'd say.
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