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    Re: Ostsiedlung

    this may well be a useful and relevant link to the 'recent' history of this thread:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php...56&postcount=1

    I commented on the hopelessness of the automatic translation - but the linked source is of value.

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    Re: Ostsiedlung

    There is interesting information about the historical German situation in Poland in Bertram de Colonna's "Poland from the Inside". Bertram de Colonna was a British observer who traveled to Poland shortly before WWII and wrote about the conditions in this country. One can find the book here.

    This is from the part called "Composition of Population"
    There are German enclaves sprinkled all over Poland, but the main areas where they live are in the West, adjoining the Reich frontier, and in the Corridor. [31] Their purchasing power is still relatively high, but they have been robbed of much of their land, and the process is still going on. They inhabit the richest areas which were handed to post-War Poland. Expropriation of the land is carried on with the ostensible object of assuring the landless of homes, and of adding to the extremely small holdings. In reality, however, little Polish and much German land is taken from big farmers. In Posen and the Corridor, for example, the Polish big-scale landed property has been reduced by 19% for the benefit of Polish settlers, while the German property was robbed of 63% of its area. Practically none but Poles are settled on the expropriated land. One reason for this measure is to obtain more Polish votes, and to reduce the percentage of Germans, in these areas. Despite all these measures, Posen and the Corridor are still predominantly German. In the Western provinces, some 50% of the children of Germans have no instruction in their own language, while in the Olsa district this figure is actually 88%. One school after the other has been closed by the authorities, in the hope that the coming generation will be compelled to speak only Polish, and thus be assimilated. A fight is also waged against the Protestant Church, to which most of the Germans in Poland belong. Nearly all the Poles are Roman Catholics, but there are a few Protestants, and they have seized control of many of the German Protestant churches under various pretexts.
    [32] The Germans in the Corridor - and we must not forget that they make up the vast majority of the people there - are between two German provinces. On either side they see Germans who belong to the Reich, but they themselves are treated as second-class citizens. It is clear that they are dissatisfied. Their children often have to attend Polish schools, where they learn how Poland stretches ethnographically to Berlin. They form a solid block of Germans wedged in between the two parts of Germany, with the Baltic on the North, and the Poles in the South. But the officials who exercise control are Poles.

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    Re: Ostsiedlung

    Poland from the inside, is indeed a great book. I have an originally of it, from which I have posted a few chapters on Nordfolk.

    This book is an real eye-opener for those people still naieve abouit Poland and the Polacki people.

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    Re: Ostsiedlung

    Quote Originally Posted by saxonian knight View Post
    According to the information I have from German sources is because those Germans from Upper Silesia were in majority Roman-Catholic, and Poland considered them as Germanized Poles, which they aint, considering the many German surnames.
    They were indeed Roman-Catholic, but that wasn't enough as reason. Large areas in the southern mountanous regions of Silesia were Catholic, but the population was completely driven out from there.

    The reason with respect to Upper Silesia was that it was a lingually mixed area, where in modern times the language border has shown some alternating fluctuation and where in result many people were bilingual. After the war large parts of the population were without being asked appointed as "Poles" by the expellers, but they preserved their folkdom even after half a century of its oppression and abnegation and constituted themselves as "German minority" after 1990.

    Similarly the Masurians, or parts of them, respectively, were "embraced" as alleged "Slavic brothers" by the Poles after the war, but in their mass they decided to share the fate of their expelled East Prussian fellow countrymen in the postwar era instead of continuing a life as "Poles" among Poles in their Masurian homeland ...
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    Occupied Germanic lands

    Thought we should post some pics of places from occupied Germanic lands. I don't know so much about other Germanic lands, but I'll post pics of German lands.

    I'll start with Königsberg, Ostpreußen (East Prussia), currently occupied by Russia

    Königsberg pronunciation (help·info) (Lithuanian: Karaliaučius; Low German: Königsbarg; Polish: Królewiec; see also other names) was the capital of eastern Prussia from the Late Middle Ages until 1945. Founded by the Teutonic Knights just south of the Sambian peninsula in 1255 during the Northern Crusades, the city successively became the capital of their monastic state, the Duchy of Prussia, and East Prussia. The Baltic port developed into a German cultural center, being the residence of, among others, Immanuel Kant, E. T. A. Hoffmann, and David Hilbert.
    Königsberg was heavily damaged by Allied bombing in 1944 during World War II, and was subsequently conquered by the Red Army after the Battle of Königsberg in 1945. The city was annexed by the Soviet Union according to the post-war Potsdam Agreement and largely repopulated with Russians. Briefly Russified as Кёнигсберг (Kyonigsberg), it was renamed Kaliningrad in 1946 after Soviet leader Mikhail Kalinin. The city is now the capital of Russia's Kaliningrad Oblast.
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    Danzig, Westpreußen (West Prussia), currently occupied by Poland

    There can be no doubt regarding the German character of Danzig. The earliest human
    settlement on the site of the present Free City dates back tens of centuries, but it is
    doubtful as to who actually founded it. The Romans, at the height of their success,
    referred to it as a trading centre. Certainly, there is no reason to believe that the
    founders were Polish. They may have been Slavonic, but it is equally likely that they
    were Germanic. The earliest settlement of which we have ethnographical records was
    Germanic, but a Slavonic tribe later settled there. Those Slavs were the Pomeranes,
    who were not Polish. Their present descendants are the Cashubes, a West Slav people.
    The city of Danzig was founded by Germans in or about 1224. Danzig flourished under
    the Teutonic Order. At the end of the 13th century Danzig belonged to the Hanseatic
    League. In 1454 the city [41] passed from the Teutonic Order to the protection of the
    King of Poland, but remained a free Hanse City with a German administration. Neither
    Poles nor Jews might become Danzig citizens in those days. The city had its own
    economy, and even dabbled in foreign politics independently of Poland. Under
    Napoleon the French occupied the city, throttling its trade. This was part of the Little
    Corporal's scheme to blockade England, some assert, for, having failed to sweep the
    seas, Napoleon set about capturing the ports of Europe to prevent supplies reaching our
    shores.

    Danzig was for long years part of Germany until the Great War. Following Versailles,
    the city was forcibly separated from the Reich, and the Poles laid claim to it. Their claim
    was based upon alleged historical rights, and upon the assertion that they need the whole
    course of the Vistula. After the War, one claim was that they needed the port, but since
    they have built Gdynia, no more has been heard of this. The Polish "minority" in Danzig
    may be compared with the negro "minority" in Cardiff - one does see some Poles in the
    former, just as one encounters representatives of the Dark Continent in the latter.

    The claims of the Poles have increased of recent date, and they have recently been
    asserting that considerable areas in Germany, with a population between 95% and
    100% Germans, should be handed over to them. Here and there, this view has been
    supported [42] in the world Press, although it would be difficult to justify it.

    But in the French Chamber, to quote one example, a very different view has often
    enough been taken. The session of the Paris Chamber on September 4th, 1919, is of
    considerable interest in this connection. The subject under discussion was the Peace
    Treaty and the terms implied. A report made by the Deputy, M. Charles Benoist, was
    being considered. Deputy Marcel Sembat made the following statement:

    "It must be openly admitted, as M. Charles Benoist has established, that Danzig is
    a German town. In order that there may be no doubt on the question, I shall read
    the text of his report on page 107:

    "'Poland wanted to have Danzig. Nevertheless, from the simple point of
    view of the population, there is no doubt but that Danzig is an undisputedly
    German town. It is not a German enclave in Polish territory. One goes
    along the coast from Danzig through purely German land to East Prussia.'

    "Those are the words of the report. I do not hesitate to draw your attention
    clearly to the fact that there is a definite contradiction between the form in which
    we treat Danzig and the principles I have just mentioned. It is a question of a
    German town; we take it away from Germany.

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    Breslau, Niederschlesien (Lower Silesia), currently occupied by Poland
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    Memel, Ostpreußen (East Prussia), currently occupied by Lithuania
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    Tilsit, Ostpreußen (East Prussia), currently occupied by Russia
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    Marburg an der Drau, Untersteiermark (Lower Styria), currently occupied by Slovenia
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