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    Post Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf
    Maybe anyone
    here can provide a genetic study which provides informations about
    "Germanic genes" like R1a in Northern Africa.
    The only problem with that would be that R1a is *Slavic* genes, not Germanic. I is much more common with Germans than R1a, though many Germans are R1b (Celtic haplogroup.) Roughly, however R1a is Northern Germanics (Scandinavians) and Eastern Slavs (Russians), I is Southern Germanics, Southern and Western Slavs, and R1b is Celtics, Iberians, and Western Germanics. That leaves N3 as Finns, Hungarians, Estonians and Urals-folk, E3b/J2/F/G as various Mediterranean folk (Southern Spain, Southern Italy, Greece, etc.)

    The linguistic evidence also still points towards Vandal = Wendel = Wends, and that the Vandals of North Africa originated in Wendish territory. So, most probably the folk of Mecklenberg/Western Pomerania today are the long lost cousins of the Vandals who stayed home.

    BTW - I'm R1b, from a subclade that is specific to Frisia... my best guess being with family history that I am a descendant of the Frisian cavalry on Hadrian's Wall. That's 'Germanic', right???
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    Post Re: Vandals

    Not only the Goths were of Iranian and the Vandals of Slavic origin
    The Goths were of Germanic origin and so was the Vandals.
    Do you reject the link between Gøtaland or the Island of Gotland with the Goths that invaded the Roman Empire?
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    Post AW: Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf
    The Vandales were for sure Germanic. I read that the Vandales only contributed
    1% to the whole population of their empire in nortern Africa. Maybe anyone
    here can provide a genetic study which provides informations about
    "Germanic genes" like R1a in Northern Africa.

    http://www.namweb.com.na/wiki/wiki.phtml?title=Vandals
    in German: http://www.kraeuter-und-gewuerze.de/Vandalen

    PS I strongly recommend to set Odin of Ossetia and his Slavo-centric crap
    on "ignore".
    Yes. I concur that we should ignore his biased "Slavo-centric crap" and your "Germano-centric crap" (to use your wording) just as well. R1a is a common Slavic haplogroup, present in virtually all Slavic nations to a high degree, even though it was found in Scandinavians/Vikings as well. Attempting to postulate a Germanic genetic link on the basis of a common Slavic marker is ludicrous, though.

    Take a look at these figures:

    HG3 Frequencies in European, Central Asian and Mediterranean groups:

    Poles...........54%
    Russians........47%
    Slovaks.........47%
    Belarusians.....39%
    Czechs..........38%
    Slovenians......37%
    Latvians........41%
    Lithuanians.....34%
    Norwegians......31%
    Ukrainians......30%
    Mari............29%
    Estonians.......27%
    Germans.........23%
    Hungarians......22%
    Lapps...........21%
    Icelanders......21%
    Romanians.......20%
    Swedes..........18%
    Chuvash.........18%
    Yugoslavs.......16%
    Dutchmen........13%
    Bulgarians......12%
    Finns...........10%
    East Anglians....9%
    Greeks...........8%
    Scots............7%
    Danes............7%
    Georgians........6%
    Armenians........6%
    Turks............5%
    Frenchmen........5%
    Belgians.........4%
    Ossetians........2%
    Cypriots.........2%
    Spaniards........2%
    Italians.........1%
    Portuguese.......1%
    Irishmen.........1%
    Cornish..........0%
    Basques..........0%
    Algerians........0%
    North Africans...0%


    (Rosser et al., Am J Hum Genet, 2000)


    R1a in Scandinavia:
    http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-07/1090823397

    ...and many, many more.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: Vandals

    Odin of Ossetia-

    You stated that the Croats were originally an Indo-Aryan tribe from the northwestern Indian subcontinent. Could you provide a link to a source, or at least provide a little more details? Thanks.


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    Mad Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by King Yngvar
    The Goths were of Germanic origin and so was the Vandals.
    Do you reject the link between Gøtaland or the Island of Gotland with the Goths that invaded the Roman Empire?




    I have already presented my case on this page:


    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html



    And there is also some additional evidence like:


    Talking of genetics, a recent genetic study found that the Gothlanders are more closely related to Croats and Serbs, than they are to the Swedes-proper from northern Sweden. Don't you think this rings a bell?




    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

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    Post Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Of Ossetia
    I have already presented my case on this page:

    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html
    Have you ever wrote a post where this link wasn't included?
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    Post AW: Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Of Ossetia
    Talking of genetics, a recent genetic study found that the Gothlanders are more closely related to Croats and Serbs, than they are to the Swedes-proper from northern Sweden. Don't you think this rings a bell?


    Please post that study. Recent, you say? I hope it doesn't refer to Y-chromosome haplogroup I.

    Genetics is still in its infancy, and can still not reliably prove such questionable links. One should not jump to conclusions.
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Triglav
    I hope it doesn't refer to Y-chromosome haplogroup I
    I think it does.Remeber Bora Milutinovic? I posted it on another forum The website doesn't exist anymore but the author claimed that Cro-Magnids in Serbia have the sam accent as Gothlanders as well Actually,check this link out...

    http://www.angelfire.com/film/antro

    Watch the movie
    Last edited by Vojvoda; Friday, October 22nd, 2004 at 11:01 PM.



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    Mad Re: AW: Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Vojvoda
    I think it does.Remeber Bora Milutinovic? I posted it on another forum The website doesn't exist anymore but the author claimed that Cro-Magnids in Serbia have the sam accent as Gothlanders as well Actually,check this link out...

    http://www.angelfire.com/film/antro



    Actually, I don't know what you are talking about. The site you provided link to does not have this study, and I do not know what does it have to do with the subject.


    The study was done by Western geneticists, not by any Serbs.


    It was a while since I checked it, and do not remember where it was; sorry about it. Perhaps it is no longer around on the net.



    http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

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    Post Re: AW: Re: Vandals

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin Of Ossetia
    Actually, I don't know what you are talking about
    Of course you don't.I replied to Triglav's post,not yours.



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