Classify Croatian

**Evolved** · Saturday, August 30th, 2003

Found this image on Corbis.com. He's very tall and impressive looking.

I don't know how typical he is for Croatia, or what type he'd be. I know he's not a Dinaric.

**Vojvoda** · Saturday, August 30th, 2003

Originally Posted by ladygoeth33

Found this image on Corbis.com. He's very tall and impressive looking.

I don't know how typical he is for Croatia, or what type he'd be. I know he's not a Dinaric.

Carpathid IMO. Could be from Herzegovina? Croatia and the balkans is like Hungary, sub racially mixed, not all are Dinarids.

**Polak** · Sunday, August 31st, 2003

He looks fairly typical for a Croat. They're all very tall, especially the younger ones. Some of my Croatian friends are over 195cm.

Genetically speaking Croats are closest to other Slavic and also Germanic populations. They're especially close to Norwegians, Czechs and Germans actually, both in terms of Y-chromosomes and mtDNA.

But scientists have found some very strange genes on one island in Croatia called Hvar. These markers have not been found in any other European populations, and seem to be of Mongolid, possibly Avar, origin.

**Evolved** · Sunday, August 31st, 2003

Same type as Von Braun (according to Frans)?! Nah, couldn't be..

I wish I had more and better pics of this guy though, without his hat. He could be just a hypermasculine UP Dinaric blend.

**Frans_Jozef** · Sunday, August 31st, 2003

Originally Posted by ladygoeth33

Same type as Von Braun (according to Frans)?! Nah, couldn't be..

I wish I had more and better pics of this guy though, without his hat. He could be just a hypermasculine UP Dinaric blend.

He could pass for the Hercegowinian or Savic subrace of the Dinarids, the deep-set eyes, leptorhine straight-backed nose and strong chin in combination with a rather high and moderate wide face corroborate with this impression.
Dinarids are usually hyperleptoprosopic, but in former Yugoslavia , starting from Venezia Guilia and Veneto in Italy, the face enlarges, possibly under influence of residual UP groups.

Yes, it would be indeed very interesting to take a look unto his vault: an arched or flat-topped but general elevation of the vault is considered pure Dinaric of Middle Eastern extraction, while Norics like Capellids, Borreby and Danubians tend to be for the first twoparts rather low, while the rear end swepts up, sometimes in a straight drop or in a broken angle with a marked depression at lamda(an UP strain).

**Scáthach** · Monday, September 1st, 2003

Think i'm more partial to the Serbs LG

**Triglav** · Tuesday, September 2nd, 2003

In addition to his Dinaric strain, his features are reminiscent of some of the Croatian Mediterraneans, and aditionally the remainder of the UP people is also visible in him. Yes, this look is quite common in Croatia. If I saw him in the streets of Slovenia or somewhere else, my first guess would be Croatian.

**Vojvoda** · Tuesday, September 2nd, 2003

Originally Posted by Slovenian

In addition to his Dinaric strain, his features are reminiscent of some of the Croatian Mediterraneans, and aditionally the remainder of the UP people is also visible in him. Yes, this look is quite common in Croatia. If I saw him in the streets of Slovenia or somewhere else, my first guess would be Croatian.

Interesting Slovenian. Well, Carpathid is UP of an estern variety but Frans is probably correct. He is a "Cro"-magnid

**Triglav** · Thursday, September 4th, 2003

Originally Posted by providenje

Interesting Slovenian. Well, Carpathid is UP of an estern variety but Frans is probably correct. He is a "Cro"-magnid

Nice pun

. Well, I merely pointed out that this particular look is quite common in Croatia so I would automatically attribute such an individual to that country. Perhaps some other country in the Balkans features the same type - Slovenia doesn't.

Could anyone enlighten me about the Carpathid type? That is the only thing I have ever read about it:

"The Dinarid race has a very closely-related, somewhat shorter-statured, subrace in southwestern Asia, namely, the Armenid subrace (See Figure 9). The Armenid subrace has higher frequencies of blood type genes p and q. The very much shorter-statured population around the Carpathian mountain region of eastern Central Europe forms a special "hybrid-race" ("Mischrasse") - the Carpathid race (the Litoral race of Deniker). This race, which resembles the east-Alpines in many anthropological traits, has a larger nose. This is due to ancient Armenid strains (which is also the view of Hungarian investigators). The Carpathid race evidently originated from mixtures of Mediterraneans with Armenids."

From: http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/lundman-races.htm

Is that the same type? Where is the Cro(at)-Magnid in it?

As to the older Mediterraneans with UP affiliation - FIG. 4 in:
http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/...Papers/p22.htm

Might there be a similar connection?

Regards

**Vojvoda** · Thursday, September 4th, 2003

You can find dinarids in the Ukraine, southern Germany,France...not just the Balkans.I've never been to Slovenia.What is the predominant sub-racial type over there?