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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki
    Yes indeed, they are one and the same. I prefer the term "Gotatyp" over both "Hallstatt" and "Osterdalen"... Hallstatt for obvious irrelevant reasons (name attached to Celtic culture), and Osterdal in Norway is actually not the most typical Nordic area in Scandinavia. This prize will have to go to Telemark, in south-central Norway.

    Lundman uses basically three criterion for selecting his areas of intensitet of the Nordic race (literally "intensity").

    1) Blondness of hair (Telemark, and some areas in south western Sweden)
    2) Lowest cephalic index (area surrounding Trondheim, Norway; also parts ofcentral Sweden)
    3) Tallest stature (inner central Sweden)

    All and all, Telemark (and immediate surrounds) seems to be the area which incorporates all three basic criterion the best, and is therefore possibly the most typical Gotatyp region in Scandinavia.
    Actually I can see a difference between the two Lundman's pics you've posted, the second face is more gracile, whether the first guy's features are really sharp. Hamsun is somewhere in between I believe.

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    Is the Gotatyp type considered to be Caspid or Atlantid? I wonder because I always took the "Scando-Nordid" - an Atlantid race - for "Hallstatt".
    The Gotatyp, though, is surely high-skulled based on that pic.
    If Gotatyp = Hallstatt, that would mean that the Hallstatt is (in Lundman's scheme) an 'eastern' race, right?

    I'm sure these questions sound pretty stupid. It's just that I've only begun taking notes of Lundman's essays (the ones on SNPA) a couple days ago, and I am trying to learn as much as I can and straighten out my own assumptions when need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azdaja
    Is the Gotatyp type considered to be Caspid or Atlantid? I wonder because I always took the "Scando-Nordid" - an Atlantid race - for "Hallstatt".
    The Gotatyp, though, is surely high-skulled based on that pic.
    If Gotatyp = Hallstatt, that would mean that the Hallstatt is (in Lundman's scheme) an 'eastern' race, right?

    I'm sure these questions sound pretty stupid. It's just that I've only begun taking notes of Lundman's essays (the ones on SNPA) a couple days ago, and I am trying to learn as much as I can and straighten out my own assumptions when need be.
    Lundman describes the Nordid race as belonging to the Atlantid Northwestern Low-Skulled Racial Group (Always With Low Frequencies of Blood Type Gene q). See:
    http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/lundman-races4.htm


    EUROPID OR WHITE PRIMARY RACE: Thin to medium-thick, mostly more-or-less light skin. Soft, smooth to wavy or curly hair and generally a stronger growth of beard. A rather narrow nose and generally thin lips. Types of body build: mostly juvenile (virile) and boreal, occasionally mature.

    A. Caspid Southeastern High-Skulled Racial Group.

    I. More boreal body build.

    a) Face somewhat protomorphic.
    1. Eye sockets often somewhat slanted. More-or-less high in frequency of blood type gene q.
    + Volgid Race: dark pigmented, very short-statured, thickset, long- to medium-skulled,
    + + East-Baltid Race: very light pigmented, taller, however thickset, round-headed with flat occiput. Eyes often situated somewhat flat in the face. Two subraces in this area of Europe.
    2. Eyes direct, large upper iris: Pre-Pontid Race (extinct).

    b) Face almost infantile.
    1. Scando-Lappid Race: very short-statured, with very low face and round skull, rather dark pigmented. Very low frequency of blood type gene q and very high frequency of blood type gene p2. Also very unique in other serological traits.
    2. East-Alpine Race: Similar, but less pronounced, traits. Much higher frequency of blood type gene q.

    II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.

    a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.
    1. The Pontid (in southern Russia).
    2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
    3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
    4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
    5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
    6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
    7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q. b) The East-Nordid Subrace (of the low-skulled, fair North Race): similar to this North race in anthropological traits (almost disappeared through crossing).

    III. Taurid Race: mature-boreal, with very high and round skull, very flat occiput and larger nose. At least two subraces: the very tall Dinarid with short arms and the mature-boreal, medium-sized Anatolid or Armenid (and the somewhat less pronounced Mtebid, with a very low frequency of blood type gene q, in the Caucasus).



    B. Atlantid Northwestern Low-Skulled Racial Group (Always With Low Frequencies of Blood Type Gene q).

    I. Long-Skulled (Dolichocephalic).

    a. Palaeo-Atlantid Race: somewhat protomorphic, broad-nosed, very broad-faced, tall and robust, light-mixed in pigmentation. Low in the frequency of blood type gene p and high in blood type gene r.

    b. Nordid Race: virile, more progressive, lighter in pigmentation. Three subraces: the broader-faced, more robust Faelish (Faelo-Nordid) subrace, the narrower-faced, more slender Scando-Nordid subrace, and the North-A tiantid subrace which is morphologically similar to the Scando-Nordid. The first two subraces are rather light-haired, while the North-Atlantid subrace is more dark-haired but at the same time light-eyed. The North-Atlantid subrace also has a higher frequency of blood type gene r and a lower frequency of p than the other two subraces.

    c. Southern, Dark-Pigmented, Short-Statured Group:

    1. Berid Race: more infantile-puerile, with low frequencies of blood type genes p and q.
    2. Juvenile. + West-Mediterranean Race: horizontal eye-socket, with a more virile Basquid subrace. The ABO-allelic relationships, and also the Rh-system, are very unique in several ways in this subrace.
    + + Arabid Race: slanted eye-socket and almond eyes. Differentiated from the preceding races in facial morphology and facial dynamics. Also a very narrow and sloping forehead, with a distinct rhombicshaped face. A Syrid subrace, with a lower frequency of blood type gene r.

    II. Round-Skulled (Brachycephalic): West-Alpine Race, infantile-boreal.

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    Re: Knut Hamsun

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Slayer View Post
    Lundman describes the Nordid race as belonging to the Atlantid Northwestern Low-Skulled Racial Group (Always With Low Frequencies of Blood Type Gene q). See: http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/lundman-races4.htm


    EUROPID OR WHITE PRIMARY RACE: Thin to medium-thick, mostly more-or-less light skin. Soft, smooth to wavy or curly hair and generally a stronger growth of beard. A rather narrow nose and generally thin lips. Types of body build: mostly juvenile (virile) and boreal, occasionally mature.

    A. Caspid Southeastern High-Skulled Racial Group.

    I. More boreal body build.

    a) Face somewhat protomorphic.
    1. Eye sockets often somewhat slanted. More-or-less high in frequency of blood type gene q.
    + Volgid Race: dark pigmented, very short-statured, thickset, long- to medium-skulled,
    + + East-Baltid Race: very light pigmented, taller, however thickset, round-headed with flat occiput. Eyes often situated somewhat flat in the face. Two subraces in this area of Europe.
    2. Eyes direct, large upper iris: Pre-Pontid Race (extinct).

    b) Face almost infantile.
    1. Scando-Lappid Race: very short-statured, with very low face and round skull, rather dark pigmented. Very low frequency of blood type gene q and very high frequency of blood type gene p2. Also very unique in other serological traits.
    2. East-Alpine Race: Similar, but less pronounced, traits. Much higher frequency of blood type gene q.

    II. Progressive Procopomorphic Types - All Extremely Long-Skulled.

    a) East-Mediterranean Race: dark pigmented, with many subraces.
    1. The Pontid (in southern Russia).
    2. The Iranid: partly influenced by the Arabid race, with narrow rectangular face.
    3. The North-Indid: very tall, heavily bearded, large nose, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
    4. The Gangid: small, very gracile, with thin, sparse beard, and a high frequency of blood type gene q.
    5. The Nesid (in the South Seas).
    6. The Saharid or South-Mediterranean (in North Africa): rather tall and gracile, with a low frequency of blood type gene q.
    7. The Aegyptid: very closely related to the Saharid, but with a high frequency of blood type gene q. b) The East-Nordid Subrace (of the low-skulled, fair North Race): similar to this North race in anthropological traits (almost disappeared through crossing).

    III. Taurid Race: mature-boreal, with very high and round skull, very flat occiput and larger nose. At least two subraces: the very tall Dinarid with short arms and the mature-boreal, medium-sized Anatolid or Armenid (and the somewhat less pronounced Mtebid, with a very low frequency of blood type gene q, in the Caucasus).



    B. Atlantid Northwestern Low-Skulled Racial Group (Always With Low Frequencies of Blood Type Gene q).

    I. Long-Skulled (Dolichocephalic).

    a. Palaeo-Atlantid Race: somewhat protomorphic, broad-nosed, very broad-faced, tall and robust, light-mixed in pigmentation. Low in the frequency of blood type gene p and high in blood type gene r.

    b. Nordid Race: virile, more progressive, lighter in pigmentation. Three subraces: the broader-faced, more robust Faelish (Faelo-Nordid) subrace, the narrower-faced, more slender Scando-Nordid subrace, and the North-A tiantid subrace which is morphologically similar to the Scando-Nordid. The first two subraces are rather light-haired, while the North-Atlantid subrace is more dark-haired but at the same time light-eyed. The North-Atlantid subrace also has a higher frequency of blood type gene r and a lower frequency of p than the other two subraces.

    c. Southern, Dark-Pigmented, Short-Statured Group:

    1. Berid Race: more infantile-puerile, with low frequencies of blood type genes p and q.
    2. Juvenile. + West-Mediterranean Race: horizontal eye-socket, with a more virile Basquid subrace. The ABO-allelic relationships, and also the Rh-system, are very unique in several ways in this subrace.
    + + Arabid Race: slanted eye-socket and almond eyes. Differentiated from the preceding races in facial morphology and facial dynamics. Also a very narrow and sloping forehead, with a distinct rhombicshaped face. A Syrid subrace, with a lower frequency of blood type gene r.

    II. Round-Skulled (Brachycephalic): West-Alpine Race, infantile-boreal.
    Nice scheme. But where is place for tall, light , high skulled
    dolichocephalic or mesocephalic nordids and cromagnids?

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