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    Post AW: Re: The Essential Role of Women in Germanic Preservation

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie
    Do you know that in ancient wars between Germanics and Romes f.e., Female warriors stood feet by feet with their husbands at the frontlines, with the bloody sword in their hands, fighting for their heritage against the Empire?
    This is a rather romanticized view. The female warriors were a very rare exception. And, as far as "equality" is concerned, women were not allowed to participate in the Thing gatherings and thus had no say at all in important decisions. Germanic societies were strongly patriarchic.
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    Post Re: AW: Re: The Essential Role of Women in Germanic Preservation

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    This is a rather romanticized view. The female warriors were a very rare exception. .
    They were not so rare, there exist quotations of old Historymen about that topic. If i´ve more time in the next days, Ill search some information for you about that.

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    Post Re: The Essential Role of Women in Germanic Preservation

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie
    Do you know that in ancient wars between Germanics and Romes f.e., Female germanic warriors stood feet by feet with their husbands at the frontlines, with the sword in their hands, fighting for their heritage against the Roman Empire?
    I personally find this subject fascinating and have spent quite a bit of time reading up on it. Unfortunately, "Amazons" who have existed in different cultures at different times have been adopted by feminists who champion them as an historical alibi for anti-family death-culture beliefs, when that is not what those women believed or even practiced for that matter.

    Proof of Germanic women who took up arms can be found in Saxo Grammaticus' "The Danish History":

    There were once women among the Danes who dressed themselves to look like men, and devoted almost every instant of their lives to the pursuit of war, that they might not suffer their valour to be unstrung or dulled by the infection of luxury. For they abhorred all dainty living, and used to harden their minds and bodies with toil and endurance.

    One notable battle described in the book is the Battle of Bråvalla, described in Book VIII, Part I, in which 300 shieldmaidens allegedly took part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie
    I think women should also have the decision between family and career, because both can live side by side if one truly wants.
    (If I may be allowed) I agree with you that there is no need for an absolute distinction as the feminists claim. The Iranian Amazons had children, albeit by men who were nothing more than sperm donors. This account by Saxo Grammaticus as told in "The Danish History" Book 7 tells of a woman who succeeded at being a leader among men and a mother and wife. Such a wide range of form, from the fierce valor of the warrior maiden riding with her shield and sword into battle to warm and nurturing love in raising a child, is what evokes in me a fascination.

    Alf, the son of Sigar, thinking that peril of the attempt only made it nobler, declared himself a wooer, and went to subdue the beasts that kept watch beside the room of the maiden; inasmuch as, according to the decree, the embraces of the maiden were the prize of their subduer. Alf covered his body with a blood- stained hide in order to make them more frantic against him. Girt with this, as soon as he had entered the doors of the enclosure, he took a piece of red-hot steel in the tongs, and plunged it into the yawning throat of the viper, which he laid dead. Then he flung his spear full into the gaping mouth of the snake as it wound and writhed forward, and destroyed it. And when he demanded the gage which was attached to victory by the terms of the covenant, Siward answered that he would accept that man only for his daughter's husband of whom she made a free and decided choice. None but the girl's mother was stiff against the wooer's suit; and she privately spoke to her daughter in order to search her mind. The daughter warmly praised her suitor for his valour; whereon the mother upbraided her sharply, that her chastity should be unstrung, and she be captivated by charming looks; and because, forgetting to judge his virtue, she cast the gaze of a wanton mind upon the flattering lures of beauty. Thus Alfhild was led to despise the young Dane; whereupon she exchanged woman's for man's attire, and, no longer the most modest of maidens, began the life of a warlike rover. Enrolling in her service many maidens who were of the same mind, she happened to come to a spot where a band of rovers were lamenting the death of their captain, who had been lost in war; they made her their rover captain for her beauty, and she did deeds beyond the valour of woman. Alf made many toilsome voyages in pursuit of her, and in winter happened to come on a fleet of the Blacmen. The waters were at this time frozen hard, and the ships were caught in such a mass of ice that they could not get on by the most violent rowing. But the continued frost promised the prisoners a safer way of advance; and Alf ordered his men to try the frozen surface of the sea in their brogues, after they had taken off their slippery shoes, so that they could run over the level ice more steadily. The Blacmen supposed that they were taking to flight with all the nimbleness of their heels, and began to fight them, but their steps tottered exceedingly and they gave back, the slippery surface under their soles making their footing uncertain. But the Danes crossed the frozen sea with safer steps, and foiled the feeble advance of the enemy, whom they conquered, and then turned and sailed to Finland. Here they chanced to enter a rather narrow gulf, and, on sending a few men to reconnoitre, they learnt that the harbour was being held by a few ships. For Alfhild had gone before them with her fleet into the same narrows. And when she saw the strange ships afar off, she rowed in swift haste forward to encounter them, thinking it better to attack the foe than to await them. Alf's men were against attacking so many ships with so few; but he replied that it would be shameful if anyone should report to Alfhild that his desire to advance could be checked by a few ships in the path; for he said that their record of honours ought not to be tarnished by such a trifle.
    The Danes wondered whence their enemies got such grace of bodily beauty and such supple limbs. So, when they began the sea-fight, the young man Alf leapt on Alfhild's prow, and advanced towards the stern, slaughtering all that withstood him. His comrade Borgar struck off Alfhild's helmet, and, seeing the smoothness of her chin, saw that he must fight with kisses and not with arms; that the cruel spears must be put away, and the enemy handled with gentler dealings. So Alf rejoiced that the woman whom he had sought over land and sea in the face of so many dangers was now beyond all expectation in his power; whereupon he took hold of her eagerly, and made her change her man's apparel for a woman's; and afterwards begot on her a daughter, Gurid. Also Borgar wedded the attendant of Alfhild, Groa, and had by her a son, Harald, to whom the following age gave the surname Hyldeland.

    Proof of the Iranian Amazons' existence: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_amazon/index.html


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    Post Re: The Essential Role of Women in Germanic Preservation

    I can only add from my personal experience plus some general reflections of my view on the role of woman in an ideal society of our dreams.

    Living in Scandinavia gives a good look at the development of a more than less Germanic society under pressure of The System.
    Scandinavian women are strong psychically and physically. They are ambitious professionally but, against many odds, they wish to have children. At least two, if one has a well functioning family.

    They are active in political and economic life and their sex is not an obstacle, except maybe “old-boy groupings” of businessmen. But even here, they strive ahead.


    The nearest example is my own wife: an economist by profession, she is well on her way to the top drawer in management. Being a mother of three.
    Our relationship is one of respect, in any meaning of the word. She is my Home and the point of reference. I don’t use to make decisions concerning our life without her and I am not forcing my point. Not because I am feminine and she – masculine, and not to please her (she would have rejected me with contempt if I were a weak man). It’s because we are equal in all respects. Besides, her advice has saved me many a time from making a mistake.

    But women differ between them just as men do. In the society of my dreams women should, at least initially, concentrate on giving birth to, and care for, many children. This is our biological priority. They have to be respected for this. Other women, even if they choose only to have a couple or even just one child and devote her energies to external work, careeer – who are we to prevent them from doing so or forcingthem to KKK-life?

    A little comment on Christianity: I agree that this religion from middle east has wrecked a lot in our mentality and way of life, being incompatible with our racial character.
    However, Protestantism has been a movement to Germanize the asiatic ideology, not without certain success, I think.

    IMO people need a god and the conception of the metaphysical is inborn, be it Jesus or be it Odin. I think this is a natural component of any harmonic society. The present decay of religion is a consequence of the activity of zog-system (many factors, a long list) as well as of the relative incompatibility of Christianity, even in Protestant edition, with us.

    Greetings to Godiva.

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    Post Re: The Essential Role of Women in Germanic Preservation

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie
    I think you´re correct with the first sentences, but I cant agree that you say that woman should primarly provide the child-rearing.
    I'm afraid that you may have misunderstood me on this point. I did not mean that the main focus of women's lives should be child-rearing. Instead I meant that child-rearing is a part of human life that happens to fall primarily on women's shoulders. I am all for women having careers. I think it's great that your mother had one and still provided you and your siblings with the care you needed as children. It is not the main focus of women's lives to just rear children, but the responsibility of rearing children does fall mainly to the women. This is one reason why I believe that women are essential to Germanic preservation.
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    Post Re: The Essential Role of Women in Germanic Preservation

    Quote Originally Posted by Astorp
    Our relationship is one of respect, in any meaning of the word. She is my Home and the point of reference. I don’t use to make decisions concerning our life without her and I am not forcing my point. Not because I am feminine and she – masculine, and not to please her (she would have rejected me with contempt if I were a weak man). It’s because we are equal in all respects. Besides, her advice has saved me many a time from making a mistake.
    I share your views. I believe in sexual equality. I don't believe in men dominating women, as male chauvanists do, nor do I believe in women dominating men, as feminists do. Nor do I believe in androgyny. Men are men and women are women. No one should try to change that.

    I think of things in terms of aesthetics. Aesthetically, women are the most beautiful and captivating phenomena on this planet. When analyzing their versatility, exemplified by the Amazons of Greek myth which have been historically verified, they would perhaps seem to surpass men. I would never wish for men to compromise their masculine identity, nor would I wish women to compromise their feminine identity. Such are the archetypes central to Germanic and Indo-European spirituality and essence. However, I cannot deny a near worship of women on my part for their ability to achieve such remarkable things: creation or bringing children into the world, which would characterize them as gods, participation in battle, which certainly wouldn't compromise their identity as women, as is evidenced in the story of Alfhild, and their stunning beauty, which goes beyond merely their looks.
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    “Not only do Germanic women carry the children of their men for roughly nine months, they are also the main source for teaching and example in the children’s' lives”.

    I totally agree Godiva

    Women not only influence their children’s world view but can also influence that of their partners.

    “Look at Jewish women, they by themselves have protected their Jewish roots throughout history, you must be like that, the keeper of the family. The backbone of the white movement is the woman; the men just get all the glory”

    Great example Nordic Canadian male


    If we demean and mistreat our women we risk losing them to racial others.

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    “Not only do Germanic women carry the children of their men for roughly nine months, they are also the main source for teaching and example in the children’s' lives”.

    I totally agree Godiva

    Women not only influence their children’s world view but can also influence that of their partners.

    “Look at Jewish women, they by themselves have protected their Jewish roots throughout history, you must be like that, the keeper of the family. The backbone of the white movement is the woman; the men just get all the glory”

    Great example Nordic Canadian male


    If we demean and mistreat our women we risk losing them to racial others.

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    Godiva, I haven't read any of the threads you are refering to.


    But I am an [atruistic] sexist. So, I thought I would chime in.


    I believe men and women are of equal importance.


    Let me just point out, that as a man, I believe men (in comparison to women) are primarily logical (or better yet, have a higher capacity to be such), and that it is very important for us men to argue (at least amoung ourselves) that we are different than you. So, we need that space. Possibly a forum or thread that you can avoid so that you don't have to feel offended by reading it and that we can say whatever we want. And then I suppose outlaw all such comment in the other forums/threads?

    Anyway, this is the first step to manhood, that a man knows he is different than a woman, that he knows a woman is weaker than him. Not just physically weaker, but psychologically weaker as well.

    The next step for a man, is to forgive himself for falling for all the equality brainwashing (this is where some men get nasty, because they project their own stupidity on to women, blaming them).

    The third step, is to selflessly serve women! Or even worship God through women!

    This is sort of just a right of passage for men. You know, when we are growing up, women mature faster than we do, but it seems that women stop maturing after the age of 18; however men seem to reach maturity at the age of 25.

    I have never met a woman capable of being a philosopher/mathimatican/; I have visited many forums all over the internet, and women, interestingly enough avoid all logic and science threads when it comes to actual innovative discussion.

    So if that is what we are talking about in "equality", I don't think it is there.

    Now, if we are talking about political equality... Should a logically inferior being be equal politically with a logically superior being?

    To reframe this question; should women have the same responsibilities as men?

    I think the answer is no.


    Here is a political model I am developing;


    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=134361


    You will notice that I have separated the responsibilities of men and women.

    The goal is the utilitize the social power of women and the logical power of men; to harmonize our powers to fulfill our mutual goals!

    Your thoughts are welcome.

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    An excerpt from a recent post by Agrippa underscores their importance:

    “Always consider, that every people's pure offspring solely depends on the number of females under most thinkable circumstances, not that of males. And that the females finally raise the child primarily, with the female's children's numbers being limited naturally (f.e. along the lines of "traditional Hutterites' birth rates").

    That means, unless you would use artificial wombs, you never get more children than you have women.

    Obviously the expansion which can take place beyond those numbers is always male mediated and that what all expansionist groups primarily did, from the Indoeuropeans, Indoaryans, Chinese, Bantus, to Arabs and Amerindian tribes.

    Also, any male can have more women or having various children with many women, so a male's bloodline being not generally mixed if producing mixed offspring, he usually still has the chance to get pure offspring too.

    So if you want to spread the own genes without losing positions, you never give away the females, you always send males.

    Again, the direct opposite happens in Europe, which means the Europeans themselves being colonized”.

    Physically weaker yes

    But in the past women did not have many of the opportunities men had for an education to study mathematics and philosophy. Nevertheless there have been many great female philosophers and mathematicians like Hypatia as well as scientists like Marie Curie.

    Females are outperforming males in my country all round in university entrance exams.

    However I know from my school days that many females said they did not like mathematics even though they often topped the class, but preferred more right brain subjects like English.

    So if I was to generalize I would say most females prefer left brain activities, though not all.

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