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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    Well the former I know. And it has to do with moisure condensation on hair/beards. If you've ever been in a very cold environment or seen someone who has you notice ice crystals condensing over their facial hair...obviously a big icy beard and icecle covered eye brows/lashs aren't going to do you any favors.

    That would explain sparse body hair in cold adapted peoples.

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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    Yes, Paladin is right, hairiness is mostly selected in males under certain conditions (sexual, dominance etc.) and Mongolids are on average less masculine anyway. The strong beard and hairiness is rather a masculine sign than any real physical advantage. Compare with lions
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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    Since the Ainuids are the only mongoloid group in general to have somewhat excessive body hair, I don't understand how they specialized, since they're mainly dwellers in Hokkaido, or Northern Japan. Perhaps, it's because of the different coordinates of it on the globe when compared over to Mongolia. Maybe a different type of biome, Japan and Mongolia are separate enough for this to possible, I'd have to look this up. Was it some certain migrational path and unique specialization which took place?

    And what does LBI and HLI stand for?
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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    Ainuids show Southern influence which was not like in Sinoids selected towards a Mongolid standard. Mongolids were selected for the extreme cold and lower masculinity on average, you can't say the same for Ainuids which were simply out of this Mongolid centre and made a rather slow and isolated development on their own. The original condition could be rather hairy for all Eurasians, especially if looking at Australo-Melanesids in general. But both the extrem boreal-cold types and the infantile-reduced tropical variants have usually weaker hairiness in E-SE-Asia, though there is some local variation like everywhere.

    LBI = Length-Breadth-Index (Cephalic Index)
    HLI = Height-Length-Index (measures the relative height of the skull)
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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    Ainuids show Southern influence which was not like in Sinoids selected towards a Mongolid standard. Mongolids were selected for the extreme cold and lower masculinity on average, you can't say the same for Ainuids which were simply out of this Mongolid centre and made a rather slow and isolated development on their own. The original condition could be rather hairy for all Eurasians, especially if looking at Australo-Melanesids in general. But both the extrem boreal-cold types and the infantile-reduced tropical variants have usually weaker hairiness in E-SE-Asia, though there is some local variation like everywhere.
    LBI = Length-Breadth-Index (Cephalic Index)
    HLI = Height-Length-Index (measures the relative height of the skull)
    How would lower masculinity be an advantadgeous trait? Why was it selected against in cold enviroments?

    What I notice is in general East Asians are smaller...both in bone frame and they seem to be less muscular. Is this more of a rice adapation than a cold one?

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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    How would lower masculinity be an advantadgeous trait? Why was it selected against in cold enviroments?
    Because aggression, physical dominance in the group and egoistic behaviour are not good in critical situations in which the life of group members is at risk if there are constant in-group conflicts. Negrids are just the other extreme. More intelligent and group oriented behaviour were crucial in areas of both strong environmental and group selective pressure. Like I already said in this and other threads.

    What I notice is in general East Asians are smaller...both in bone frame and they seem to be less muscular. Is this more of a rice adapation than a cold one?
    Definitely. The most extreme cold adaptation are Tungids and they are quite muscular and broad build, the rather gracile build is an adaptation to the sedentary farmer existence and tropical climate, the leptomorphic for the more temperate regions and the active groups which formed the Chinese civilisation (typical Han Chinese Nord- and Mittelsinid variants).
    Of course all Mongolids are for the reason mentioned above not as extreme build, saving of energy was very important too, more important than for Europids even from the beginning, but still Tungids are broader build and more muscular on average than typical leptomorphic Europids (like Nordids, Iranids etc.).
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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    At least pred., but he is not typical.
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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    How about these varying ethnic groups which compose nearly a tenth of China's population. Would they be encompassed in the general Sinoid Spectrum? Though, I'd have to think that a lot of them are concentrated in the West.

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    Post Re: The Sinoid spectrum in East Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad Cletus
    How about these varying ethnic groups which compose nearly a tenth of China's population. Would they be encompassed in the general Sinoid Spectrum? Though, I'd have to think that a lot of them are concentrated in the West.
    I mentioned in the Thread already some of the biggest groups like the Lolo (Yi), Miao, Yao etc.
    Tibetans are Tibetid (Mittelsinid with Tungid and Europid influence on a low level) and Uighurs are Aralids mostly (Mongolid-Europid = mostly Tungid, less Sinid with Iranid, Pamirid and Nordoid).

    About Uighurs which have a high frequency of Europid genetic markers and vary greatly from individual to individual (but Mongolid is already dominant):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Uighurchildren.jpg

    So some of the biggest ethnic minorities are in the South and of Sinid or at least Sinoid (including Palaemongolids) types.
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