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    Post Heinrich Heine: Loreley

    I do not know what haunts me,
    What saddened my mind all day;
    An age-old tale confounds me,
    A spell I cannot allay.

    The air is cool and in twilight
    The Rhine's dark waters flow;
    The peak of the mountain in highlight
    Reflects the evening glow.

    There sits a lovely maiden
    Above so wondrous fair,
    With shining jewels laden,
    She combs her golden hair

    It falls through her comb in a shower,
    And over the valley rings
    A song of mysterious power
    That lovely maiden sings.

    The boatman in his small skiff is
    Seized by a turbulent love,
    No longer he marks where the cliff is,
    He looks to the mountain above.

    I think the waves must fling him
    Against the reefs nearby,
    And that did with her singing
    The lovely Loreley.

    translation by Ernst Feise
    And all my youth passed by sad-hearted,
    the joy of Spring was never mine;
    Autumn blows through me dread of parting,
    and my heart dreams and longs to die.

    - Nikolaus Lenau (1802-1850)

    Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind.

    - Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837)

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    Lorelei

    Text by Heinrich Heine (1797-1856)
    Translation copyright © 1995 by Walter Meyer

    I'm looking in vain for the reason
    That I am so sad and distressed;
    A tale known for many a season
    Will not allow me to rest.

    Cool is the air in the twilight
    And quietly flows the Rhine;
    The mountain top glows with a highlight
    From the evening sun's last shine.

    The fairest of maiden's reposing
    So wonderously up there.
    Her golden treasure disclosing;
    She's combing her golden hair.

    She combs it with comb of gold
    And meanwhile sings a song
    With melody strangely bold
    And overpoweringly strong.

    The boatman in his small craft
    Is seized with longings, and sighs.
    He sees not the rocks fore and aft;
    He looks only up towards the skies.

    I fear that the waves shall be flinging
    Both vessel and man to their end;
    That must have been what with her singing
    The Lorelei did intend.
    And all my youth passed by sad-hearted,
    the joy of Spring was never mine;
    Autumn blows through me dread of parting,
    and my heart dreams and longs to die.

    - Nikolaus Lenau (1802-1850)

    Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind.

    - Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837)

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    I cannot tell why this imagined
    Sorrow has fallen on me
    The ghost of an unburied legend
    That will not let me be.

    The air is cool, and twilight
    Flows from the quiet Rhine;
    A mountain alone in the high light
    Catches the faltering shine

    One rosy peak half gleaming
    Reveals, enthroned in air,
    A goddess lost in dreaming
    Who combs her golden hair.

    With a golden comb she is combing
    Her hair as she sings a song;
    Heard and reheard in the gloaming
    It hurries the night along.

    The boatman has heard what has bound him
    In throes of a strange, wild love.
    He is blind to the reefs that surround him,
    Who sees but the vision above.

    And lo, the wild waters are springing -
    The boat and the boatman are gone...
    Then silence. And this with her singing,
    The Lorelei has done.
    And all my youth passed by sad-hearted,
    the joy of Spring was never mine;
    Autumn blows through me dread of parting,
    and my heart dreams and longs to die.

    - Nikolaus Lenau (1802-1850)

    Real misanthropes are not found in solitude, but in the world; since it is experience of life, and not philosophy, which produces real hatred of mankind.

    - Giacomo Leopardi (1798-1837)

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    And in Latin:

    Ignoro, quid id sibi velit,
    Tristissimus cur sim,
    Antiqui aevi fabellam
    Cur saepe volverim.

    Vesperascit et frigescit,
    Et Rhenus leniter it,
    Cacumen montis lucescit,
    Dum Phoebus occidit.

    Sedet in summo montis
    Virgo pulcherrima,
    Auro nitet gemma frontis,
    Se pectit auricoma.


    Aureolo pectine pectit,
    Carmen canens procul,
    Mirandum id habet modum
    Nec non virilem simul.


    In cymba navitam mille
    Angores feri tenent,
    Non videt scopulos ille,
    Ocli non si sursum vident.


    Opinor undas devorare
    Nautam cum navicula,
    Effecit solo canendo
    Lurleia id dea.


    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    How fantastic,- Heine in latin.

    What was Heinrich Heine's ethnic heritage again?


    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    And in Latin:

    Ignoro, quid id sibi velit,
    Tristissimus cur sim,
    Antiqui aevi fabellam
    Cur saepe volverim.

    Vesperascit et frigescit,
    Et Rhenus leniter it,
    Cacumen montis lucescit,
    Dum Phoebus occidit.

    Sedet in summo montis
    Virgo pulcherrima,
    Auro nitet gemma frontis,
    Se pectit auricoma.


    Aureolo pectine pectit,
    Carmen canens procul,
    Mirandum id habet modum
    Nec non virilem simul.


    In cymba navitam mille
    Angores feri tenent,
    Non videt scopulos ille,
    Ocli non si sursum vident.


    Opinor undas devorare
    Nautam cum navicula,
    Effecit solo canendo
    Lurleia id dea.


    Damnatio memoriae

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfang View Post
    How fantastic,- Heine in latin.

    What was Heinrich Heine's ethnic heritage again?




    Damnatio memoriae
    Jewish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac Seafraidh View Post
    Jewish
    First of all, as far as I am aware, he was only half-Jewish, for the record. His father, Salomon Heine was evidently Jewish --- but is it known whether his mother was an actual Jewess?

    Secondly - may his political views be, or have been whatever they may have been ... he felt a much greater identification with the German nation than most notables of Jewish heritage.

    He participated in a pennale Burschenschaft/Studentenverbindung (Westfälinger) in his youth years --- only when they pretty much forbade his works in Germany did he start to get critical of the reigning zeitgeist and saw them as an "imperialist instrument" of sorts.

    But even as he went on to publish his writings (in Germany and France), he tried to keep his Jewish ancestry hidden, because he felt no, or little identification with it. When he eventually married - he did not tell her of his Jewish ancestry as long as he was alive, in fact!

    Whilst he went continuously political, much of his effort should still be seen in the light of a somewhat "national feeling" - despite his Socialist views, he was in favour of a unified Germany --- but it should be democratic rather than looking towards the old Reich for inspiration.

    If his political views did much damage in the long run, for his idolisation amongst the 68ers --- he remains a major contribution to German poetry, and his Judaism is less resounding than one might expect it to be, quite frankly because he felt little to no identification with it, instead chose to see himself as a "German with Jewish roots".
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    Half jewish is jewish.
    If I did not think this is an important distinction, I would not have asked the question. If there were a great Talmud genius who happened to be German,
    Orthodox Jews would not consider him a great man of the torrah *because* he was not Jewish. If there were a great writer of jewish religious songs who happened to be German (not a jewish convert), they would not sing his songs at religious occasions.

    Just because Heinrich Heine was a masterful poet in the German language, his work need not be promulgated as the work of a great german poet or his person be considered German.
    I am very leery of this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd View Post
    First of all, as far as I am aware, he was only half-Jewish, for the record. His father, Salomon Heine was evidently Jewish --- but is it known whether his mother was an actual Jewess?

    Secondly - may his political views be, or have been whatever they may have been ... he felt a much greater identification with the German nation than most notables of Jewish heritage.

    He participated in a pennale Burschenschaft/Studentenverbindung (Westfälinger) in his youth years --- only when they pretty much forbade his works in Germany did he start to get critical of the reigning zeitgeist and saw them as an "imperialist instrument" of sorts.

    But even as he went on to publish his writings (in Germany and France), he tried to keep his Jewish ancestry hidden, because he felt no, or little identification with it. When he eventually married - he did not tell her of his Jewish ancestry as long as he was alive, in fact!

    Whilst he went continuously political, much of his effort should still be seen in the light of a somewhat "national feeling" - despite his Socialist views, he was in favour of a unified Germany --- but it should be democratic rather than looking towards the old Reich for inspiration.

    If his political views did much damage in the long run, for his idolisation amongst the 68ers --- he remains a major contribution to German poetry, and his Judaism is less resounding than one might expect it to be, quite frankly because he felt little to no identification with it, instead chose to see himself as a "German with Jewish roots".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anfang View Post
    Just because Heinrich Heine was a masterful poet in the German language, his work need not be promulgated as the work of a great german poet or his person be considered German.
    Well, it's an interesting question. Would you consider the quadroon Alexandre Dumas (pere) who wrote classics such as The Three Musketeers or The Count of Monte Christo a French author? If so, then Heine must be seen as a German poet/author. If not, then it is a matter up to debate as to how much identification or non-identification accounts when it comes to attributing the nationality of a certain work, which a whole new thread could be started about here in the literature section.



    Well, he doesn't look very French for one, to start. On the other hand, his novels are generally seen as the "epitome of Frenchness". Well?
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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