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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    It is not my place to say what Europeans should do among themselves, but as someone whose heritage comes from these lands, and who wishes, were I to ever have descendents, that they should be able to see their lands of ethnic origin in a state truest to the original primordial qualities of these lands, I am hopeful that nationalist movements in Europe can preserve in their respective lands what is aboriginal to those lands, and accept or reject whatever outside factors the native nationalist leadership deems of benefit.

    As such, despite my American nationality, I hope Europeans can band together as a confederation of nations to stop the unwanted influences of Americanism, while simultaneously allowing each nation the absolute freedom to restore, and set their own national ideals and rules. I suppose then I would advocate a little of each approach, though again as an American who believes in the philosophy of strong Nationalism and National Sovereignty, it is only a suggestion, and up to Europe to save itself from becoming part of the McWorld franchise.:tthumbsup

    I am all for seeing what Americanism will do in America, and not spreading it back to the source - the same way I believe in not sticking the knife back in the jelly or peanut butter jar after using it to make the peanut butter & jelly sandwich, and thus corrupting the original source ingredients for the amalgam/product.

    ... and if the specifics of the above mean that, for instance, Germans someday can take back their native lands, and force the Polish, Russian, or Czech squatters out, from my perspective these people would be welcome here, preferable to the current immigrant demographic; America has always been strengthened by the transfer of surplus population from a strong Europe as the individual Nations of Europe work out their differences with one another.




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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    That's low. Well, as I've said to Russian comrades many times: "If it's for the good of people, make Finland a vasall state after the revolution...and of course Sweden ". Sweden and Finland as states doesn't matter to me, I'm Scandinavian and European, just as you. Är det så svårt att förstå? Drop this Finn-Swede thing; half of Sweden is Finnicized, half of Finland is Swedified.
    Nej, det är klart. Förlåt mig.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    Not to mention that you spelled the name of Karl XII as the anglofied "Charles XII".
    Jag tänkte inte på det. Men vad om Carolus Rex?
    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    I don't think the Europeanisation is planned, even if it's supported by different groups (and countered by anti-EU groups, but none of them REALLY want, or could, Sweden to become isolationist or something). Have you missed Europeanisation? Or another effect, not directly connected to the former though: multi-culturalism in society?
    It's hard to say whether it's planned or not. There is a reason it's happening: rise in technology, country specialization, etc. But there is certainly some degree of planning. The EU didn't suddenly spring up on its own. It was very carefully executed by a few powerful individuals. I was under the impression that you were talking about the deliberate fusion of all European nations into one European pseudo-nation.

    Let me say that you are (partly) incorrect about the anti-EU groups. I (and my group that doesn't exist yet) want Sweden to be isolationist, completely closed off, autarky.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    Europe is an idea, which may be the third historical nationalism: "Nationalism beyond". Underestimating the European Idea shows lack of insight among the people. Which political force is cooperating across national lines most nowadays BTW? Some parts of the new left? The ruling Sozis? Or the nationalists? Among WHOM is the feeling of the European Idea greatest?
    I don't like to think that I have lack of insight. Some of my ideas could be construed along those lines, such as the creation of new "nations" from existing ones without eradicating the original nations but preserving them as they are. Sure, the nationalists are cooperating across national lines, but is it necessarily to create Imperium Europa or is it to maintain their respective nations?
    Quote Originally Posted by Deling
    take your time machine and go to the nobility of Europe anno 1900 and whine about 'bolshevism' and 'degeneration of culture' all you want. ... Just as the few remaining dinosaur-Marxists and fossil-Nationalists.
    I am not offended by being told that perhaps I'm living in the past. I would accept it as a compliment. But if I had a time machine I'd go back to 1700, not 1900.
    Last edited by Drake; Wednesday, September 21st, 2005 at 06:10 AM.


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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    i would more nationalist. if europeans stay out of non-euro land, it should be the other way around too.

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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    I'll move the thread to Politics.

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikHale
    I (and my group that doesn't exist yet) want Sweden to be isolationist, completely closed off, autarky.
    That would entail technological regression and a steep fall in comfort for all Swedes. How are you going to convince the Swedes of such a move? The downside seems to outweigh the benefits.
    The political and economic stage is becoming global, and there is nothing we can (or even should) do to stop it. Are you going to stop Swedes from ordering books from Amazon or other online stores? Will you curtail their internet connection so they cannot access foreign movies? Ruin their economy by forcing them into farms, just to stop food import? Nationalists need to wake up and start being realistic about the present and the future. Stop being reactionary, start being progressive. The nation-state as we have known it in the 19th and 20th centuries is dying, and will be replaced by other forms of organisation. We need to stop focusing on ephemeral issues (bashing kinsmen for liking Chinese food, taking yoga classes, praying to a Jew, etc) and turn our attention to what is really important and what really defines a folk; race and spirit. Germanic men and women do not have to fold up on themselves and hide from the world. They need to conquer the freedom to organise as Germanic men and women, so they can take an active, self-conscious role in the world.

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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    my idea is that we must support nationalism in Ideals but in a view and in a project of paneuropean cooperation as a first step. Then as au european pivot we must change our failure EU politics for banning Globalist power of NATO and UN and making a new kind of political issue.

    NOwadays we are far from it but we have to work in this direction in order to avoid unuseful internal struggles and divisions.

    Different nationalist forces must cooperate and have to partecipate altogheter.
    In Europe this is coming.

    Example is Euronationalist meeting in Greece with a speech of Roberto Fiore of Forza Nuova in the field of the famous greek organization Golden Down.
    The event has been opposed fiercely by reds and anarchist but the witness of a new european nationalism was thrown in the play field.



    Athens, GREECE: Extreme right-wing group Chryssi Avgi (Golden Dawn) members hold greek flags and their's faction's emblem 17 september 2005 during a demonstration outside their headquarters in central Athens to protest a ban on a planned gathering of European neo-Nazi and fascist parties in Greece this weekend. Several anti-nazi groups including anarchists made separate demonstrations against the fasists. AFP PHOTO/LOUISA GOULIAMAKI (Photo credit should read LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images)


    Athens, GREECE: Police forces stand between barricades and burning trash as hundreds of left-wing militants and neo-Nazis were engaged in a tense stand-off in central Athens 17 September 2005. n the Exarchia student quarter, 150 members of the extreme right-wing group Chryssi Avgi (Golden Dawn) gathered outside their headquarters to protest a ban on Eurofest, a planned gathering of European neo-Nazi and fascist parties in Greece this weekend. AFP PHOTO / Louisa Gouliamaki (Photo credit should read LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images)
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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried
    That would entail technological regression and a steep fall in comfort for all Swedes. How are you going to convince the Swedes of such a move? The downside seems to outweigh the benefits.
    Actually, I posted that.

    Ahh.....regression. That is a central component of my ideology. However, regression (like environmentalism, unfortunately) is impracticable from a nationalist perspective. It requires global unity in its execution. But, I don't know if it would be necessary to technologically regress in order to achieve autarky. Perhaps to some degree, but North Korea has established autarky successfully and they still have the technology to pursue a nuclear arms program. I am against nuclear armament, but there's an example.

    It depends on what you view as a downside and what you view as a benefit. Is economic prosperity really a benefit, considering the inevitable results: internationalism, mass immigration, destruction of local culture? The "benefit" or rather the purpose of the isolationism I advocate is too abstract to discuss here, but there is no question that it would be hard for the average materialistic person to understand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried
    We need to stop focusing on ephemeral issues (bashing kinsmen for liking Chinese food, taking yoga classes, praying to a Jew, etc)
    What's wrong with yoga?


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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake
    It depends on what you view as a downside and what you view as a benefit. Is economic prosperity really a benefit, considering the inevitable results: internationalism, mass immigration, destruction of local culture?
    Economic progress does not necessarily require an open borders policy. The simple fact is that a nation the size of Sweden simply cannot produce everything for itself without a steep decline in technology and general comfort level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake
    The "benefit" or rather the purpose of the isolationism I advocate is too abstract to discuss here, but there is no question that it would be hard for the average materialistic person to understand.
    People generally aren't willing to give up their freedoms and comforts for something so very abstract you can't even speak about it here. The people want concrete reasons, even if they are metaphysical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drake
    What's wrong with yoga?
    Beats me
    Last edited by Siegfried; Thursday, September 22nd, 2005 at 08:44 AM.

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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried
    Beats me
    As far as I understand it, yoga is 100% IE. The word itself comes from the Sanskrit root yuj. It's the central practice of Hinduism and Buddhism, both originally IE religions. I can't understand why it would be denounced.

    I don't take yoga classes BTW. I'm not nearly that disciplined. That's some serious stuff.


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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    Another nice example of inter-european IMpere based on values and qualities of our Folks is the Roman Empire until it was in good Ealth.
    The Review of National vanguard gave a beautyful picture on its first page

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    Post Re: Are you more nationalist or pan-european?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lega_Nord
    When the time comes to team up and fight the Jewish enemy, those who sit there with NORTHERN THIS! and SOUTHERN THAT! will just simply be filtered out of the movement. There can be no possible involvement with people who make attempts to stir up war within the European continent.
    Only curious: Why do you actually have as username the name of a party which has as basic belief that there are fundamental differences between Northern and Southern Italy and which calls for "Padanian" independence or at least autonomy as primary goal?

    And what is a "Pontifix Maximus"?
    Man ſei Held oder Heiliger. In der Mitte liegt nicht die Weisheit, ſondern die Alltäglichkeit.

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