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    Question "WTO - Evolution of Human Society ?"

    "In modern Society, with Global Trade many Worker are
    forced to become more and more mobile, Borders
    dissapere and the Days of National Goverments are
    fading quickly, the WTO ( World Trade Organisation)
    want´s to minimize the Power of Nations for the Benefit
    of the Industrial Powers. Even Ideas will become International
    patented. The Guru of modern Neoliberalism is "Milton Friedman",
    his Idea is an allpowerful Global Industry with no Need to pay
    any charges or Taxes to National Goverments, but also with no
    Duty to provide Workers with social or Healthcare ( stays by the
    Countrys ). The Idea of Neolibaralism was at the Beginning in the
    late 19th. Century meant as a Modell for Innercountry Trade and
    never tought to be International.

    China has now joined up with the WTO, i don´t want to
    imagine the Results. In the Asian Finance-Crisis the WTO commanded
    China to produce more Steel, as Result tousands of Americans
    lost their Jobs... (and there are many more Examples how
    the WTO Tactics do harm.)

    Interesting Note : The WTO is Hierachic, there are about nine
    Grades and there is no voting for Jobs...
    So the WTO is dubious also, because she has the Function
    of a Global Government of Trade Issues but is not ruled
    by voted Officials of any Country, ( of course are there
    Ministers of National Governments in the WTO, but they
    either do just serve as Embassadors of Trade or have
    found a secound Job there... )

    The WTO want´s to be seen as a big Brother who
    helps the Goverments in Cases of Conflic ( see
    www.WTO.org ) trough punising bad Guys with
    Trade Embargos. When the Local Goverments
    have lost most of their Influence, the People
    of tomorrow might become modern Slaves
    ruled by a International Force of Money which was elected
    by itself.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Because of the Complexity of the Issue Asparuk and
    I wanted to discuss the Changes in Human Society that
    lead to the Phanomen of Global Trade and the WTO.
    We thought that the evolution of " abstract Values "
    might also be relevant.

    If you have something to say about WTO, Global Trade
    Evolving Human Society, or anything related you
    are invited to post it in this Tread.


    Next comes a Summary about Serfdom
    which Asparuk posted,
    related to the System of Lehenswesen
    which was common in Middle Ages Europe :

    Servus (lt),Servage fr
    Ýt is a term relating to law. Specificly, in the western history
    the dependence status of middle age farmers to the land and the
    lords. There is the monopoly of the hereditery ownership of the land
    and against it there were the more or less hereditery, dependent and
    continous situation of being tenants.
    Nulle tere sans seigneur no land without a segnor. The villagers
    used to harvest the small proportions of the lord's land. They used
    to supply their own needs from their own harvest. These small
    businesses were within the covering ownership of the landlord and
    supplied continous flow of the profit to the landlord as rent without
    a free agreement. The tenenats were dependent to the authority of the
    landlord politically militarial or legally. in this frame the
    mobility of the sefs were limited. All of the serfs had to do extra
    work without any count on the parts of the segnor where the serf did
    not manage, corvee, and they had to use the windmill or any other
    tool on the segnors land. Usually serfs were divided into two. The
    serfs and freemen. Usually freemen meant nonserf and lack of the
    negativities of the serf. The serf were more tightly bond to the
    land, they had to take the permission of their landlord for moving or
    marrying or changing the job or could not order their inheritance.
    They might be subjected to perhaps harder behaviour and because they
    could not go to the kingdom trials they had less chance against the
    arbitrary behaviour of the landlord. Legally they were the men of the
    landlord (homme de corps) and their relief was affranchissement. They
    had a private legal situation of the remnants of slavery in addition
    to tenantness.

    More by myself will follow soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utgard-Loki
    "In modern Society, with Global Trade many Worker are
    forced to become more and more mobile, Borders
    dissapere and the Days of National Goverments are
    fading quickly, the WTO ( World Trade Organisation)
    want´s to minimize the Power of Nations for the Benefit
    of the Industrial Powers. Even Ideas will become International
    patented. The Guru of modern Neoliberalism is "Milton Friedman",
    his Idea is an allpowerful Global Industry with no Need to pay
    any charges or Taxes to National Goverments, but also with no
    Duty to provide Workers with social or Healthcare ( stays by the
    Countrys ). The Idea of Neolibaralism was at the Beginning in the
    late 19th. Century meant as a Modell for Innercountry Trade and
    never tought to be International.

    China has now joined up with the WTO, i don´t want to
    imagine the Results. In the Asian Finance-Crisis the WTO commanded
    China to produce more Steel, as Result tousands of Americans
    lost their Jobs... (and there are many more Examples how
    the WTO Tactics do harm.)

    Interesting Note : The WTO is Hierachic, there are about nine
    Grades and there is no voting for Jobs...
    So the WTO is dubious also, because she has the Function
    of a Global Government of Trade Issues but is not ruled
    by voted Officials of any Country, ( of course are there
    Ministers of National Governments in the WTO, but they
    either do just serve as Embassadors of Trade or have
    found a secound Job there... )

    The WTO want´s to be seen as a big Brother who
    helps the Goverments in Cases of Conflic ( see
    www.WTO.org ) trough punising bad Guys with
    Trade Embargos. When the Local Goverments
    have lost most of their Influence, the People
    of tomorrow might become modern Slaves
    ruled by a International Force of Money which was elected
    by itself.

    -------------------------------------------------------

    Because of the Complexity of the Issue Asparuk and
    I wanted to discuss the Changes in Human Society that
    lead to the Phanomen of Global Trade and the WTO.
    We thought that the evolution of " abstract Values "
    might also be relevant.

    If you have something to say about WTO, Global Trade
    Evolving Human Society, or anything related you
    are invited to post it in this Tread.


    Next comes a Summary about Serfdom
    which Asparuk posted,
    related to the System of Lehenswesen
    which was common in Middle Ages Europe :

    Servus (lt),Servage fr
    Ýt is a term relating to law. Specificly, in the western history
    the dependence status of middle age farmers to the land and the
    lords. There is the monopoly of the hereditery ownership of the land
    and against it there were the more or less hereditery, dependent and
    continous situation of being tenants.
    Nulle tere sans seigneur no land without a segnor. The villagers
    used to harvest the small proportions of the lord's land. They used
    to supply their own needs from their own harvest. These small
    businesses were within the covering ownership of the landlord and
    supplied continous flow of the profit to the landlord as rent without
    a free agreement. The tenenats were dependent to the authority of the
    landlord politically militarial or legally. in this frame the
    mobility of the sefs were limited. All of the serfs had to do extra
    work without any count on the parts of the segnor where the serf did
    not manage, corvee, and they had to use the windmill or any other
    tool on the segnors land. Usually serfs were divided into two. The
    serfs and freemen. Usually freemen meant nonserf and lack of the
    negativities of the serf. The serf were more tightly bond to the
    land, they had to take the permission of their landlord for moving or
    marrying or changing the job or could not order their inheritance.
    They might be subjected to perhaps harder behaviour and because they
    could not go to the kingdom trials they had less chance against the
    arbitrary behaviour of the landlord. Legally they were the men of the
    landlord (homme de corps) and their relief was affranchissement. They
    had a private legal situation of the remnants of slavery in addition
    to tenantness.

    More by myself will follow soon
    hi utgard-loki,
    thank you for starting the thread. i will ,here, be posting about the state style of aztecas which i think you might find interesting. later perhaps we may discuss about lycurgos, and platon's ideal state. i do not know how to reach WTO from this distance in time but we will handle it by time and i will be looking for your posts which i find really interesting.
    best regards
    the true origin of aztecas are away from my sources but they may have
    had practiced hunting and gathering untill they came to middle america
    from north after the collapse of toltec culture by a migration of
    people. culturally aztecas are identical to toltecs but speak
    nahua.aztec country was a teological military state. the people lived
    tied to patriarchal clans. the country had four divisions and each
    division had 20 clans. each division chose represantatives for a
    concule.and each divison chose a first man. among
    these four first men one was chosen as the head of the armies and
    another one was chosen to govern politically. though the consule had
    the power to dismiss these chosen men it never used this potential.
    there was a tax free aristocrat class, a warrior class, and in the
    cities there were cratsmen and agriculterers and there was a trademen
    class who had the privilege for slave trade and there was a caste of
    slaves workers but they were taken after with care. these castes
    preserved the horizontal movements. the best way to rise was heroic
    actions in the war. the religious men were usually chosen from the
    aristocrat class.
    agriculture was excellent they could produce chocolates and they
    smoked tobacco only in fests or holy days. they did not use money
    they used bartering and the rest of the prize was paid by cacao
    grains. they were excellent miners and craftmen too.

    basically there were evil and good forces but many animistic gods.
    one of them was a warrior one who drank the blood of his enemies as
    well as god of rain. for the stability of system people were educated
    untill they reached 15. men were not allowed to be married before 20
    and ladies were not allowed to mary untill 16.

    in 1519 their capital state was inhabited by 140.000 people and was
    occupying more than 13 km2.

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    Post Azteken

    That´s really interesting, alltough i did
    know that the Aztecs had a high culture i
    didn´t know they had such a highly developed
    Political System.

    I did some Research on my own and found out that
    the Class of the Farmers had more Rights than in
    feudalistic Europe. If they were working on the grounds
    of Noblemen they had to give some Parts of Harvest to
    them, but unlike the European Farmers, who were often
    Servants with no rights and Possesion of their Lord,
    they had the Right to leave anytime and seek Work
    on another Landlords Grounds.
    The Right to manage a Part could
    pass to the children, but could not be sold.
    If a Farmer failed to manage his Part it felt
    back to the Community.

    There were even Farmers owning their Land
    as collective Communities. They were sharing the
    Land in Parts.
    It´s tragic that the Aztecs ( who were known to take Baths every Day )
    were defeated by the Spain ( the Conqistadores were not that much into
    bathing ), because i´am courious about how their Culture would have
    developed.

    I think the Form of Government they had is quite similar to what
    Greek Authors tell us about the Galatae ( " Galatae" = Celts that were
    setteled in Centralturkey , about 300 before C. , and builded a state in
    Nortprygien.)

    They had 3 Big Tribes : Tectosagen, Trokmer, Tolistoboger

    Each Tribe had 4 Clans, with own Territory ( not proven ) .
    Each Clan was ruled by a Tetrach ( Tetra : Four, Archos : Leader ),
    under him two Generals,two Vice Generals and a Judge.
    It´s very possible that the were ellected ( proven in other Celtic Societys).
    The twelve Tetrachies sent 300 "Senators" Into a National Gathering taking
    Place at " Drunemeton " ( Oak Sanctuary ) . Dispite of that the Clans were
    pretty Independant. A try to unite them with Force by a Leader named
    Ortagion failed .

    In Celtic Society the Women were playing a bigger role than in Roman
    or Greek Societys, alltough every Part of the Society was dominated by
    Men.

    Basically there were Noble Warriors, Men of the Arts ( Bards , Druids ,
    Craftmen ) , and a majority of normal Farmers .

    The Galatae were also into the Offering of Humans ( most important
    Case was in 165 b.C. when Pows were offered at the Drunemeton.)
    A rich mundane Tradition mentioned by historic Authors might explain
    the lack of written documents.

    more to follow ...

    Best regards, your Utgard-Loki

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