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    Arrow Nordish "Satanism" - An idea and some personal thoughts.

    I've plans to write some material on a form of Nordish "Satanism" geared more around our own indigenous pantheons, still maintaining the well-being of folk and race while also maintaining the self-empowering individualistic nature of more traditional Satanism. An ethos I think is much better suited to racial and cultural preservation than the adoption of quasi-Semitic origins for Satanic doctrine.

    At its heart, I believe our choice to walk the left hand path should be similar in manner to taking on the mantle of the opposing force that is necessary for a species to evolve and adapt. We must be the force against which our own people must grow, we should be akin to both Darwinistic predators and gene pool cleaners.

    Traditionally, Satanism has been about adopting the mantle of "the opposer and accuser" and that is exactly what we should be. We should oppose self-destructive and racially detrimental behaviour, doctrine and law, and seek to see such eradicated.

    Further, Satanism is about empowering the self, becoming ones own ruling power; a law unto oneself. It is through this self-improvement and strengthening of mind, body and will, that we should seek to hone ourselves to be the best, both mentally and physically, that we can achieve.

    I've studied multiple forms of Satanic thought and philosophy, and I've always discarded what I thought unsuitable or did not feel "right" with regards to the advancement of the self and the protection of my race, I have always looked towards maintaining my beliefs as purely Nordish as possible while ensuring that beneficial modalities of thought are spliced alongside to strengthen what already existed, a spiritual bulwark, if you will.

    Now, I know this is rather a small post regarding the subject matter, but at the moment I am still attempting to straighten said ideas out in my head enough that I may write them down clearly and informatively. I would appreciate constructive criticism and collaboration if anyone feels the same way as I and wishes to assist in the work ahead.

    Thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings.
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    Thumbs Up Re: Nordish "Satanism," an idea and some personal thoughts.

    Heil comrade!

    You have made a fine post about this fascinating subject!
    This subject is something I have been pondering for some time. I have studied varius form of Satanism for the past year or so and as you I have discarded what I thought unsuitable or did not feel "right" with regards to the advancement of the self and the protection of my race.

    There are very many ideas and diffrent explanations on what who Satan and what Satanism is. I think Satan is a force with a thousand names.

    According to the Judeo-Christians Satanism is really following every other god or philosophy than Christianity, so according to the Judeo-Christians any other deity than their God (Jah, Jehova) is just another image of Satan. The Jews called every other god than Jehova, Satan for example; Baphomet an old desert fertility god became Satan. So one looking from a Judeo-Cristian window could see for example Norse Asatru or Greek mythology as Satanism.

    To better explain who Satan is to the Judeo-Christians I will translate an article I wrote about the subject in Icelandic:

    Why SaTan is the best thing that ever crossed the path of mankind

    An old fable of a desert tribe of former slaves tells of the creation of mankind and the lives of the first human beings in their paradise, garden of Eden. In the garden of Eden man lived in endless equality and simplicity, carefree and unencumbered. Nothing really changed and all remained still. One day there was finally change, a serpent met the female human and the serpent bid her to take a bite of the forbidden fruit of the tree of wisdom. The female could not resist the serpents offer and ate the forbidden fruit. Thereof ended the so-called paradise of human kind.

    The best thing that ever happened to man, happened at that moment. The forbidden fruit grew from the tree of wisdom and thus brought the human wisdom. He was not anymore an unconscious unworried animal that lived in eternal (purposeless) existence of the equality of the garden of Eden. Man became a beast that had to work to survive; he obtained desires and pleasures. Desires and pleasures of sexual arousal and creation (sex is creation and creation is sex). Creation is the greatest excitation of the human; art , science - all expression is creation; everyone enjoys creation in every possible form; sonic, visual, texture. Graphic art, literature, architecture, music and so the list goes on; all is this the product of the creativity of mankind; everyone creates in some way.

    In the eyes of the eastern tribe and the followers of their morale the bite of the forbidden fruit was the worst thing ever to happen to humanity. In their eyes it was a demonic sin. In the religion of this tribe it would seem that creation and the joys of it are bad, it is defined as evil; sexual desires, pride and the creation of a higher forms of life are evil. They believe it is evil be cause it goes against their demiurge: Jehova. It would seem that their wish has always been that mankind had remained an ignorant animal wich obeys the great tribal god. Why this weird desert tribe wants to worship a god of imposition, ascendence and monopoly is a question wich the followers of the serpent have been asking themselves for a long time. According to the slave tribe, the serpent was and is the worst form of existence there is thinkable.

    But the serpent was and is the true savior; he freed mankind from ignorance and slavery; he broke the chains the evil tribal demiurge had put on the human being; he forged man into a natural creating beast; but it had been a pitiful domesticated animal of the subordinate deity. The Serpent: the lifegiving force with a thousand names is probably best known under the name Satan. Every man should thank him and worship; for he is the force of creation; he is the freedom, the glory, and the power; the pleasure, the work and the joy.

    Hail to the clever serpent wich freed us from the animal-cage and false-paradise Eden! HAIL SATAN!

    --

    It should be clear now that in my view Satanism is a path of creation, change, and joy. This also seem to be what the writers of varius Satanism movements have come to conclusion.



    Now there is modern Satanism; LaVeyan and Setian. To those orders Satanism is not a religion but a way of life or a philosophy. A philosophy that rejects Judeo-Christian values like; "all men are equal". Many parts of the LaVeyian/Setian philosophy are not unlike National Socialism, based on the laws of nature; "The strong dominate the weak, the clever dominate the strong". But there are also Jewish aspects in modern Satanism that do not comply with National Socialism, aspects like; all the self-gratifacation, rejection of family values, back-stabbing, individualism.

    Also we have Order of Nine Angels type of Satanism, wich seems modern but claims to have excisted for many centuries; called traditional Satanism. ONA Satanism has many thins simelar with LeVeyian/Setian Satanism but is without the Jewish aspects. ONA is more about Strength & Honour and strive to create a higher being; the Ubermensch.

    So it seems to me, of all the diffrent forms of Satanism, ONA Satanism is the most like National Socialism. Some people have even said that ONA Satanism is just National Socialism disguised as an Occult path.

    But then, what is National Socialism?

    In my mind National Socialism has a lot to do with the nature of the nordish folk. Since National Socialism is a life affirming creed built on the laws of nature, where the strong survive and the weak perish. National Socialism affirms that the purpose of life is contributing to evolution in a positive way and that we contribute to evolution when we do our duty to our folk, since our folk (our race and culture) is our connection to Nature: how Nature is manifest in us as human beings!

    National Socialism sees the nation, the folk, as a living organism, a body. And National Socialisms wants that body to be healthy. National Socialism wants to strengthen the body, make if more fit and greater. National Socialism is also, just like Satanism about making the individual stronger and enjoying life.

    What we need to do, I believe is to combine all life-affirming forces, undir wich name does not matter. As long as the forces seek to create a stronger, purer folkish society as a base and conquer the galaxy from thereon! May our spirit guide us in the journey to the stars! Hail Victory!
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    Post Re: Nordish "Satanism," an idea and some personal thoughts.

    A wonderful post, comrade, thank you for sharing it with us.

    It brings up the interesting fact that the Judaic traditions have demonised and plagiarised their way down the aeons in what seems to be a great misguided attempt to build up THE ULTIMATE EVIL (cue dramatic music) so they may make themselves seem as though they are holy crusaders against this ever-swelling wickedness that besets the world. Nine times out of ten, however, the gods, goddesses and spirits they demonised had many positive traits, so in their steamrollered advance over the indigenous faiths of countless peoples, they have made a great many positive things evil in their eyes and the eyes of those who ascribe to their offshoot faiths such as Christianity.

    Your article also brings the comparison of Satanism and National Socialism as being one and the same, in essence. I am inclined to agree, insofar as Satanism itself - especially the Traditional or Aeonic Satanism of the ONA - rejects the unnatural shackles of desert doctrine's self-hatred, finding beauty in creation, finding joy in the cycle of life rather than turning it into an eternal penance.

    National Socialism also involves the shedding of shackles, the corruptive influence of outside forces anathema to the folk and the nation - though in a true Thulean civilisation, the principle of nation has slightly less of a place than the principle of the folk, the tribe, through which we could choose ANY land as our home, by sheer force of presence.

    Ultima Thule is our homeland, and we, its children have the opportunity to work to unite it. Right now our land is divided into many nations, fractured yet still somehow whole despite the abuse heaped upon it for centuries, and if we are to be true to the tenets of Satanic thought, we must oppose the unnatural, overturn the abhorrent, claim what is ours by right and keep it safe.

    You draw attention also to a good point regarding National Socialism, that the folk and nation are as a macrocosm, a living, breathing entity, and this raises a similarly good point that any living, breathing entity has an immuno-defence system, we as National Socialist Satanists - regardless of whatever name we ascribe to the force of ascension, illumination and power - should be that immuno-defence system, we must be the antibodies that move through the bloodstream of the folk, cleansing impurities, destroying corruptive viral influences. We cannot be this immuno-defence system if we ourselves are not strong, upstanding examples of the Thulean ideal.


    My proposed idea is purely folk-oriented, with a focus on a Thulean society of Indo-European cultural and spiritual strength, while turning the tables on the Judeo-Christian faith and absorbing elements of their faith allows us to explain our standpoint better to those that do not understand our folkway, we ourselves should venerate and uphold only that which belongs to our folk. I refer to myself as Fenrir, a child of Fenris-Ulfr, the force of unassailable entropy and inevitable destruction, an integral part of the cycle of life, Fenris is seen as evil, but it was through him that a new age of the folk was to come about, as per the faith of our ancestors. Though I could just as easily ascribe Satanic meaning to Jormungandr or Nidhogg, the serpentine symbolism there is obvious.

    We, as a proto-Thulean society must ensure the protection and absolute security of our heritage, folkway and the survival of our future. We will never achieve the goal of uniting Ultima Thule - let alone the stars themselves - if our heritage is allowed to be trodden underfoot by outsiders and the misguided. It is through the Left Hand Path that we must make ourselves the purifiers, the protectors, the opposing force, the necessary evil - for does not evil itself in its original meaning simply refer to "acts beyond necessary measures"?


    I love my folk, as do we all, and it is for our folk that we must step up and don the black mask of the opposer, become the maw of the devourer, the black flame of purification, it is for them that we must throw off the misguided perceptions of Judeo-Christian Satanism and emerge a completely alien and terrifying beast unto them, our old ways given vital life once more, the face of their slain enemy reborn anew.

    The life-affirming forces, the fecundity of creation, the law of nature, these things are rejected by our foe, these things we must take up and hold dear, we must forge a path for our folk through these dark times and one day we will emerge victorious. Then they will truly know Satan.
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    Thumbs Up Re: Nordish "Satanism," an idea and some personal thoughts.

    Comrade, your post is inspiring!


    "Whenever spirituality decays and materialism is rampant, then, O Arjuna, I reincarnate Myself . . . Howsoever men try to worship Me, so do I welcome them. By whatever path they travel, it leads to Me at last."


    Thus says Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu, to Arjuna. I think this is fitting in light of the dark, yet burning bright path we talk of; the sanskrit word Krishna means black and the name is often translated as the dark one or the black one. Other meaning of the name is said to be: krish' is the attractive feature of the Lord's existence, and 'na' means 'spiritual pleasure.' When the verb krish is added to na, it becomes krishna, which indicates the Absolute Truth.

    And we sure do live in a time when Aryan (Thulean?) spirtuality is in decay and materialism is rampart. So it would seem the spirit of Krishna has reincarneted itself, at least in our writings comrade!

    What are ideas now, might turn into actions before we know it! I think there is a great Thulean Renaissance coming. As all National Socialists should know, the Third reich was founded on the volkish/mystic revival in the last decades of the 19th century and the first decades of the 20th century. Many like to say the most significant society was the Thule-gesellschaft, founded in 1918 by an avid student of the occult, Rudolf Freiherr von Sebottendorf. Other members of the Thule-gesellschaft worthy to mention are men like: Dietrich Eckhart, Hans Frank, Rudolf Hess, Alfred Rosenberg and Julius Streicher. From the volkish/mystic society of Thule there was founded DAP, the German Worker's Party. This Party Adolf Hitler was sent to gather intel on, and by time it became the NSDAP by his leadership, and you know the story; but as many would like to think, it did not end in 1945. "We shall not capitulate... no never, We may be destroyed, but if we are, we shall drag the world with us... a world in flames.", said Hitler, and so he did; Europe the world was in flames after a greater war than it had ever seen before. I like to believe that the end of the Third reich was only the beginning. The Third reich was only a harbinger for a much greater, world-wide Thulean revival. And I believe Hitler always knew this, even since he was a teenager. He was a prophet for a coming golden age built on the laws of nature.
    "May my faithful ones never forget that it is the task of the coming centuries to build up a National Socialist Europe, and may they always place collective interest before their own.... May they all, Germans and non-Germans -- all the forces of National Socialist Europe -- remain racially conscious, and, without weakness, resist the poison that is about to kill all nations: the spirit of international Jewry." - Adolf Hitler.

    I think the growing interest in alternative religions, myths and National Socialism in the past decade is a sign of this second folkish revival I talk of. I think our cause will rise from the ashes, like a phoinex!




    The above pic was created by artist who calls himself allimarie.
    http://alimarie.deviantart.com/

    I have made some myself. Propaganda for the coming reich!

    Thulean Empire Rising!



    One of the last soldiers in the Berlin bunker told of this. "I asked Hitler, for whom shall we fight? And to that Hitler said in a monaturn: for the coming man"



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    Post Re: Nordish "Satanism," an idea and some personal thoughts.

    Rousing artwork there, my friend, both from you and from allimarie, such inspirational art is an important thing for stirring the racial soul of our people, for disturbing the ashes to provoke the rise of the Thulean Phoenix.

    "Fight for the coming Man." Prophetic words, words to live by, the coming Man is our children, our childrens children, the folk of our descendants, and it is for they that we must fight, their birthright depends upon us protecting our folkway.

    As the Swastika was the motivational symbol of the Third Reich, so too should we take up a symbol of power and strength, to maintain a connection with the sacrifice made by every man and woman who fought for our future, I think it should maintain an esoteric edge, remain similar to the symbol held proudly aloft by our martyred kin, it should be simple yet complex, easy to identify and powerful in its appearance.

    In the spirit of the coming Thulean Renaissance and the ascension of our people, I would strongly suggest - as you have already shown - the Schwarze Sonne as an emblem for our people, a symbol to rally beneath. And for those of us who walk the path of black flame, we represent strength, we represent the resilience of our folk, we represent the devourer who will one day unmake the corrupt and diseased world so that the Thulean race can live proud and free, thus I suggest a design similar to the Schwarze Sonne, formed from four Eihwaz runes to represent our resilience, arranged in the manner of the eight-pointed star of chaos, symbolising the ultimate force of entropy and the necessity of annihilation in renewal. I have a symbol based upon this ideological principle tattooed upon my arm, and I have since I was a youth, when first it came to me in a flash of inspiration, and I feel that as it inspired me, so too should I give it the opportunity to inspire we Nordish Satanists, we Fenrir, we of the black flame.

    I will write more later, until then, Heil and Victory.
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    Post Re: Nordish "Satanism," an idea and some personal thoughts.

    Truly excellent thread. Our race has always had a certain connection to what lesser men viewed as Evil, but really is evolution, faustianism, and the influence of Chaos creating ever more complex order. Biblical scholars often viewed us as descendants of Iaphetos=Prometheus=Lucifer. And the NoI deems us blue-eyed devils. And in a sense, when we are true to our nature, they are right.

    Our evil is not the chtonic evil of primitive, animalistic races, worshiping stagnation and the collective. Our evil is of another kind, evolutionary, individualising and creative (to borrow terms from Evola, our evil is Hyperborean). The ancient Hebrews had a glimpse of this fact, and out of sheer terror of it created the myth of the Snake.

    In the end of the Wolfs Age, the time is ripe to tear down the rotten structures and lies, and then Fenrir and Satan are equally relevant gods to follow as Tor and Jahve (though Odin is of a dual nature in this aspect).

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    Re: Nordish "Satanism," an idea and some personal thoughts.

    This is an interesting thread...

    But why call it "Satanism"? it doesn't particularly invoke the most pleasant of thoughts, and is associated with gothic rebellious teenagers. I understand that it is the opposition of Jehovah/Yahweh, but I think a different name would be better....
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    Re: Nordish "Satanism," an idea and some personal thoughts.

    Quote Originally Posted by freydis
    This is an interesting thread...

    But why call it "Satanism"? it doesn't particularly invoke the most pleasant of thoughts, and is associated with gothic rebellious teenagers. I understand that it is the opposition of Jehovah/Yahweh, but I think a different name would be better....
    The word Satan is much older than gothic rebellious teenagers. As I've stated before it seems to have Indo-European roots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry Bolton
    Since the Hebrew culture is an amalgam and adaptation of the various cultures encountered by the Hebrews, its should not be a surprise if "Satan" in NOT of Hebrew origin. The English "traditional Satanists" The Order of Nine Angles (who promote National Socialism as embodying our Aeonic destiny) trace the etymology of "Satan" to Greek, meaning "an accusation ([greek lettering unavailable]) from whence the Hebrew Satan, "the accuser". (It might be relevant to mention that the Grand Master of the ONA prior to the current one is a scholar who has translated several of the Greek classics). Others connect "Satan" to the Indo-Aryan SAT, the Dark entropic force infusing Nature (somewhat reminiscent of the recently discovered "dark mass" that physicists say permeates the cosmos). Many, probably most cultures have equivalents of this Dark Force. It is manifest in the creative/destructive power of SHIVA, and the cosmic interplay of Shakti/Shiva. It is represented in the Norse myth of Ragnarok where the dark hordes of Loki, Fenrir, et al. instigate the cosmic cataclysm which clears the way for a new cosmic order: a cyclic process of Creation/Destruction/Renewal, without which there would be stasis and decay.


    This if from an ONA document:

    ...and also incorrectly - the figure of Satan Himself is commonly held to derive from the religion described in the Hebrew 'Old Testament', with the word "Satan" being regarded as derived from the Hebrew word for "accuser". In fact, the Hebrew word is itself derived from another word - an ancient Greek one. This Greek word - an is - that is, 'an accusation', [See, for example, its use by Aeschylus - aitiau ekho.] and also 'cause' or 'foundation' or 'origin' of some-thing. In essence, Satan as a word represents (a) the prime cause of change, of human evolution; (b) 'Adversary' in the sense of opposing norm, the accepted, and this sense is still retained in the usage of 'Devil' (e.g. Devil's Advocate). The word 'Devil' is derived from the Greek word - - via the Latin "diabolus". The figure of Satan is thus seen to be not a Hebrew invention, as hitherto supposed, but in fact a representation of opposition, of Heresy: and a symbol of creative change.
    From opposition there is a synthesis - the process of dialectical change which governs evolution.
    So should we just stop using this word, which is perhaps older than 3000 years, just be cause someone ignorant might associate it with some late teen trend?
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