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    Post Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    Why is it that so many Anglo-Saxons look like smallish Falians, while so many Trønders look like massive Nordids?

    We should expect the opposite.

    But how many Anglo-Saxons have we all seen that we first assume to be gracile Falians?

    It seems to me that the Anglo-Saxon, though consisting of mainly Nordid according to Coon, is more often shaped like the Falian, while the Trønder, though consisting of less Nordid according to Coon, is more often shaped like the Nordid.

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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett
    Why is it that so many Anglo-Saxons look like smallish Falians, while so many Trønders look like massive Nordids?
    We should expect the opposite.
    But how many Anglo-Saxons have we all seen that we first assume to be gracile Falians?
    It seems to me that the Anglo-Saxon, though consisting of mainly Nordid according to Coon, is more often shaped like the Falian, while the Trønder, though consisting of less Nordid according to Coon, is more often shaped like the Nordid.

    Because, as Coon explains it, Anglo-Saxons are mixed Tronder/Hallstatt Nordics while the Tronder is a Bruenn blonded up by Hallstatt Nordics. The difference is the percentage of Hallstatt Nordic. Remember, the English people originally came from Southern Sweden (as Beowulf reminds us).

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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    Trönders of Jämtland and Hälsingland are indeed very tall. Otherwise the Trönder folk stock is a bi-polar Nordid-Alpinid one.

    It does not make sense that Trönder would be less Nordid than Anglo-Saxon.

    Anglo-Saxon to me is like a Falid in most facial features (the alveolar prognathism combined with a strong jaw is very common, and I can instantly recognise this, also among my own relatives), but possibly with a higher skull, because Lundman's West Elbe stock where the Falid predominates is made up of a very low-skulled population. I would like to see what Coon meant with high skull. It is all relative. The beaky nose of the Anglo-Saxon is possibly dinaricised and Lundman mentioned a Litoroid element among the Frisians.

    Margaret Thatcher would have probably been classified as Falid by Günther. It is also curious that Falid is placed in the same region of continental Europe as Anglo-Saxon.

    Cheryls Hines has Falid traits:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=32683

    Compare her mouth to Leslie Ash's (even before she deformed her face with plastic surgery). I can come up with dozens of examples but anyone who has even been on a short trip to England (probably mainly the east and southeastern parts) would know what I talk about.

    The people of southern Sweden are either too gracile Göta (mainly southwest), or are alpinised in southern Skåne. Wherever the English came from, they resemble more the people in northern Netherlands, Jutland and NW Germany. Neither do genetic evidence show a relation with Sweden. They show a relation with Frisians though.
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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    It does not make sense that Trönder would be less Nordid than Anglo-Saxon.
    Yes. To me Troender is better defined and more stabilised too. I thought about an Eastern element being involved, some said more Corded admixture in Troender than in Anglo-Saxon.
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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    Take a look at the mouth region of a Reihengräber skull:


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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    I have not seen this skull before, but it seems familiar enough. How big is it?

    Most Anglo-Saxons do seem to have most if not all the features one can find on the Falian, though with less bone mass. The aspect is still largely the same, and the type has to a great extent inherited the Falian character, much more so than has the Trønder.

    We find the Anglo-Saxon notoriously combative, while the Trønder very cool and distant. These are exaggerated Cro-Magnid and Nordid traits, respectively.

    I might not go so far as to call the Anglo-Saxon Neo-Falian, but rather might say it has not reselected, so the Falian features naturally dominate over the Nordid, which simply reduce them.

    The beakiness seems too frequent to be Litorid influenced, though I do not think the Anglo-Saxon is dinaricized. Perhaps the overall reduction causes it, as the type is not found in the sort of region known to produce the feature?

    I also have many ancestors and relatives who fit this description, as do I
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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    Well, I don't think much of assigning certain characters, but perhaps you might be on to something.

    But the character you assign to the Trønder I don't agree with, because the "type" is not as clearly formed as the Anglo-Saxon, and shows more variability. It includes not only Falian and Nordid stocks, but also Paleo-Atlantid/Tydal, Atlanto-Med, and perhaps some Corded as well.

    I see many Trønders that are relatively dark, especially in Scotland, where the Paleo-Atlantid alongside the Altanto-Med is influencial.

    The character of the Trønder "type" is thus much more varied than the Anglo-Saxon's, ranging from the effeminate and disdainful in lanky, more Nordid individuals, to the whiny in more gracile, Atlanto-Med individuals, to the rustic and rugged in more Paleo-Atlantid individuals, to the combative in more Falian/Anglo-Saxon individuals.

    Both the Anglo-Saxon and Trønder can have Borreby tendencies, and will have the typical, very independent (one man army) character in these cases.
    Last edited by Edwin; Friday, September 9th, 2005 at 09:21 PM.

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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett
    I have not seen this skull before, but it seems familiar enough. How big is it?

    Most Anglo-Saxons do seem to have most if not all the features one can find on the Falian, though with less bone mass. The aspect is still largely the same, and the type has to a great extent inherited the Falian character, much more so than has the Trønder....The beakiness seems too frequent to be Litorid influenced, though I do not think the Anglo-Saxon is dinaricized. Perhaps the overall reduction causes it, as the type is not found in the sort of region known to produce the feature?

    I also have many ancestors and relatives who fit this description, as do I
    What about some pictures of "Anglo Saxons" here?!

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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    I find this question of certain characteristics found with certain body types very interesting. If we think of the various sub-races as extended families then the concept seems perfectly reasonable. I agree with Bennett that the Anglo-Saxon seems to be a natural warrior. "Notoriously combative" is an excellent way to put it.
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    Post Re: Anglo-Saxon vs Trønder

    Yes, the Anglo-Saxon is arguably the supreme type of the Neolithic, the only one to maintain the HG form in a reduced state, the form to which all others are still compared to this day, and retain its straightforward character.

    I think Coon might like to join us in our Anglo-Saxon self-worship

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