Results 1 to 4 of 4

Thread: A Question about Proto-Indo-European Haplogroups

  1. #1
    Member Wasterzhi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Last Online
    Sunday, September 24th, 2006 @ 05:13 AM
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    United States United States
    Gender
    Politics
    Communism
    Posts
    16
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Question A Question about Proto-Indo-European Haplogroups

    The people from Eastern Europe have I1b, R1a, J2, E3b, G, and N3 haplogroups, and the people from northern India have R1a, J2, H, L haplogroups. So, if both of them have some Proto-Indo-European admixture, then the Proto-Indo-Europeans would have the haplogroups from the intersection of the two sets. So, they must have had R1a and J2 haplogroups mainly. Do you agree with this?

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Last Online
    Thursday, April 28th, 2011 @ 06:29 AM
    Ethnicity
    German
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    Germany Germany
    State
    Berlin Berlin
    Location
    Berlin
    Gender
    Age
    38
    Occupation
    student
    Politics
    deutschnational
    Religion
    Lutheran
    Posts
    70
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    1
    Thanked in
    1 Post

    Post Re: Proto-Indo-European haplogroups

    The best guess imo are I and R1a whereby I prefer I as the haplotype that
    was most common among PIE speakers. Maybe it was like 50% I, 30% R1a
    15% R1b.

    J2 and E3b have their origins in the northern and southern fertile crescent
    respectively, so they disqualify unless you believe in that inconsistent
    Anatolia hypothesis. Both have been introduced into Europe in a long-
    lasting demic diffusion process but close ties with old non-IE Mediterranian
    cultures in Italy and Spain and lower frequency elsewhere in Europe
    show they aren't good candidates.

    N3 is a Yukagiric-Uralic and palaeo-Sibiric marker.

    G, H, L don't come into consideration because they are virtually non-
    existent among many IE groups: Central Asian genes have not been
    introduced into the European gene-pool in large numbers since the Aurignac
    culture.

  3. #3
    Member Wasterzhi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Last Online
    Sunday, September 24th, 2006 @ 05:13 AM
    Subrace
    Nordid
    Country
    United States United States
    Gender
    Politics
    Communism
    Posts
    16
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    0
    Thanked in
    0 Posts

    Post Re: Proto-Indo-European haplogroups

    You are right about R1b, I totally forgot about it, it pops up everywhere and the Proto-Indo-Europeans must have had at least some. I disagree about I because it is not found in all lands invaded by Indo-European speakers. J2 is Neolithic and found in all Indo-European lands, and because the Indo-Europeans started to spread after the Neolithic, in the Bronze Age, they must have had some J2.

    So IMO the Proto-Indo-Europeans had R1a+R1b+J2.

  4. #4
    Member Triglav's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Last Online
    Tuesday, April 25th, 2006 @ 01:24 PM
    Subrace
    Arya/Paleoeuropeidal (norda) :D
    Country
    European Union European Union
    Location
    European Union
    Gender
    Politics
    Fairness
    Posts
    2,404
    Thanks Thanks Given 
    0
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    2
    Thanked in
    2 Posts

    Post Re: Proto-Indo-European haplogroups

    Quote Originally Posted by beowulf
    The best guess imo are I and R1a whereby I prefer I as the haplotype that
    was most common among PIE speakers. Maybe it was like 50% I, 30% R1a
    15% R1b.
    I see. Can you explain why superhaplogroup I doesn't turn up in upper-caste Indians? Besides, which sub-haplogroup of I are you referring to? I1a, I1b or I1c? Keep in mind that these hgs split up during the LGM (roughly 15k years ago).
    "slavic" languages are absolutely arteficial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

    The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).
    "slovenja" was the settelment of the Langobards = Germanics/Teutons. "Poland" of the Goths and East-Vandals ect. ect. What do "slavs" tell us about their origin?
    Some silly story that they originate from some swamps in the east and popped out of no where into history.

    So you see my dear "Gorostan" [=Triglav], you are in reality a "Germanic" indoctrinated with panslav propaganda and historic fantasy stories. ~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member

Similar Threads

  1. The Proto-Indo-European God
    By Verðandi in forum Indo-Germanic Spirituality
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: Monday, June 3rd, 2019, 09:58 PM
  2. The Proto-Indo-European Homeland
    By Ahnenerbe in forum Population Genetics
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: Tuesday, August 23rd, 2016, 11:06 AM
  3. Proto-Indo-European and Vedic Religion
    By Geroth in forum Indo-Germanic Spirituality
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: Wednesday, February 15th, 2012, 05:44 PM
  4. Replies: 9
    Last Post: Monday, March 5th, 2007, 05:19 AM
  5. Functions and Images of Proto-Indo-European and Old European Gods
    By Väring in forum Indo-Germanic Spirituality
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: Tuesday, November 1st, 2005, 06:54 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •