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    Post Re: A forgotten Germanic people: the Scanians

    Skånska is a dialect, not a separate language.

    What characterise Skånska is a burred or rolling r which is made with the back of the tongue. You can hear it in other regions with Danish influence upon the pronunciation of words, Småland, Halland and Blekinge.

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    Post Re: An forgotten Germanic people: the Scanians

    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    honestly speaking, I never knew and I never heard about this Germanic brother people, untill I discovered these links I gave. Well, I knew that southern Sweden was once an part of Denmark, but not that there exist something like an Scanian people with an own language and identity. So, we Germanics exist upon more nationalities then we think.
    You're quite right, but don't forget Jamtarna, the Jamtlanders. Jämtland or Jemtia is an historic landskap in the very center of Sweden. The people in Stockholm call it Jämtland, but the natives call it Jamtland. During the Viking age, Jamtland was an independent republic. We have our own language, Jamska. There are currently around 50,000 speakers and the number is declining. Neither I nor my mother speak it, but my grandparents do.

    The most famous Jamt is without a doubt Ann-Margret. She was born in Valsjöbyn.



    A close second is Wilhelm Peterson-Berger, even though he was born in Ångermanland. His opera Arnljot is about the Jamtland viking Arnljot.

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    Post Re: An forgotten Germanic people: the Scanians

    When we are discussing colonized ethnicities of Sweden, we shouldnt forget us Götar/Goths. We have been exploited by the Svear for at least a millenium.

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    Post Re: A forgotten Germanic people: the Scanians

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet
    Skånska is a dialect, not a separate language.

    What characterise Skånska is a burred or rolling r which is made with the back of the tongue. You can hear it in other regions with Danish influence upon the pronunciation of words, Småland, Halland and Blekinge.
    How did Danish influence get as far as up to Småland? I thought this region was not under Danish rule back in the old days, nor it has ever been.
    I know little about Swedish history, so pardon my ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Jarl
    How did Danish influence get as far as up to Småland? I thought this region was not under Danish rule back in the old days, nor it has ever been.
    I know little about Swedish history, so pardon my ignorance.
    Skåne was Danish until the 17th Century. There was fierce guerilla resistance against the Swedes for a while after that.

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    Post Re: A forgotten Germanic people: the Scanians

    I was talking about Småland, not Skåne. Aren't they separated?

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    Post Re: A forgotten Germanic people: the Scanians

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Jarl
    I was talking about Småland, not Skåne. Aren't they separated?
    Oops, I misread. Småland I don't really know about.

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    Post Re: A forgotten Germanic people: the Scanians

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Jarl
    I was talking about Småland, not Skåne. Aren't they separated?
    Yes, they were always separate. Småland has always been Swedish. Skåne, Blekinge, Halland, and Bohuslän were conquered by Charles X and officially ceded to Sweden by Denmark with the treaty of Roskilde in 1658. They were then defended during the Scanian War, in which the Danish king Christian V declared war on Charles XI. The defense of Scania came to its bloody and glorious climax during the Battle of Lund, which occurred in December of 1676. The Swedish force was 9,000, while the Danish force was 15,000. It's possible that the Jämtland foot regiment, created in 1670, took part in the battle. In a tempest of bloodshed, the Swedes ultimately defeated the Danes and conquered Scania for good.

    The Battle of Lund was the bloodiest battle in Scandinavian history and was essentially the final major battle of the Swedish-Danish fued. It was perhaps the Swedes' good fortune finally for all the mistreatment we suffered at the hands of the Danes. It was also remarkable being that, like the battle of Narva, the Swedish troops were outnumbered. The difference being that at Lund the Swedes were outnumbered 1.5 to 1, at Narva they were outnumbered 5 to 1. And like at Narva, those who couldn't escape were not slaughtered but spared. A famous story is when at the Battle of Narva, the Russian prisoners outnumbered the Swedes, who were then set free because there was no other alternative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet View Post
    It is basically about how the Scanian is not like anyone else, is beautiful and better than a few other mentioned regions or cities of Sweden.

    The Scanian is described as being an adornment of humanity. His gaze is honestly faithful/loyal, his cheeks glow of health and his posture is upright and tall. Still, above all he is most beautiful within. Furthermore, he is wise and quick in his thoughts.

    There is nothing negative about the Scanian in that poem.
    Haha, there's nothing negative about Scanian people at all.

    I'm a proud Scanian woman, my mother is Danish and my father is Scanian. In many ways I feel that I have more in common with my brothers and sisters in Denmark than with the people in Stockholm, Sweden. Like all of you know, Scania belongs to Sweden these days but I believe that the bond we Scanians have with Denmark since back in the days, still lives on.

    Well, Scania is and will continue to be, my beloved fatherland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet View Post
    Skånska is a dialect, not a separate language.

    What characterise Skånska is a burred or rolling r which is made with the back of the tongue. You can hear it in other regions with Danish influence upon the pronunciation of words, Småland, Halland and Blekinge.
    The way we say r is actually a fairly late implement in our way to speak. The major different from Swedish is our way to exchange p, t and k to b, d and g in the same way as in Danish. For example we say vid, Swedish vit and Danish hvid.
    We also have our own words that no one north of the border would understand.

    I would say that skånska is somewhere between being a dialect and a separate language but that it's becoming more and more like normal Swedish.

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