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    Post Former Italian President Tells South Tyroleans that They Are Not Austrians

    The former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, currently on holidays in South Tyrol, said in an interview, published by the province’s most popular weekly magazine ‘ff’ last week, that South Tyroleans were Germans but not Austrians.
    “Now I will tell you something that you South Tyroleans won’t like- South Tyroleans are Germans- Hitler was right in this regard”, Cossiga is quoted to have said.

    Cossiga also expressed the opinion that the idea of an Austrian nation was invented by Austrian fascists such as Engelbert Dollfuss - Austrian chancellor during the inter war period and assassinated by Nazis in 1934. “Is there anything like Austrian literature or music?” He asked. Cossiga concluded that “Austrians are Germans” and “South Tyroleans are therefore Germans as well”.
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    Post Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    The former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, currently on holidays in South Tyrol, said in an interview, published by the province’s most popular weekly magazine ‘ff’ last week, that South Tyroleans were Germans but not Austrians.
    That's really a stupid assertion to make. Tyroleans have a long been linked to Austria. I really only have to mention Andreas Hoffa, and how he lead a pro-Austrian rebellion against Napoleon in the 1800's.

    Cossiga also expressed the opinion that the idea of an Austrian nation was invented by Austrian fascists such as Engelbert Dollfuss - Austrian chancellor during the inter war period and assassinated by Nazis in 1934.
    Dollfuss and his regime based the Austrian identity on a Germanic ethnic base. The Austrian identity to Dollfuss was built on the Catholic faith and the heritage of the Hasburg Empire(btw there were pan-Germanists who favoured a Germany united under the Hasburbs as opposed to under Prussia), as opposed to the Protestantism and anti-Catholicism of the Germany founded by Bismarck. Dollfuss never argued there was an ethnic difference between Germans and Austrians.

    “Is there anything like Austrian literature or music?” He asked.
    Well Vienna was once the center of classical music development, so yes you could say there is Austrian literature and music. How about Mozart?

    Cossiga concluded that “Austrians are Germans”
    Well I have a funny story about making this exact same assertion to a girl from Vienna

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    Post AW: Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    That's really a stupid assertion to make.
    Actually, that´s the only true viewpoint.
    Tyroleans have a long been linked to Austria. I really only have to mention Andreas Hoffa,
    Who? Better have another look in the history book.
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    Post Re: AW: Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyklop
    Actually, that´s the only true viewpoint.
    IMO it's a simplistic viewpoint.

    Who? Better have another look in the history book.
    Sorry, I meant Andreas Hofer. My mistake.

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    Post Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    Austrians are Germans.

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    Post Re : Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taras Bulba
    Dollfuss and his regime based the Austrian identity on a Germanic ethnic base. The Austrian identity to Dollfuss was built on the Catholic faith and the heritage of the Hasburg Empire(btw there were pan-Germanists who favoured a Germany united under the Hasburbs as opposed to under Prussia), as opposed to the Protestantism and anti-Catholicism of the Germany founded by Bismarck. Dollfuss never argued there was an ethnic difference between Germans and Austrians.
    Was the faith really one his arguments? That was a silly one. It's not like if Germany counted a majority of Protestants. There are lots of Catholics in Germany as well.

    Well Vienna was once the center of classical music development, so yes you could say there is Austrian literature and music. How about Mozart?
    You could as well try to explain that Wallons are not French but "A same blood belongs to a same empire".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas
    Austrians are Germans.
    I never said otherwise per se. At the very most, if Austria is a seperate nation, it's still a Germanic nation. Their Germanic heritage is not exactly the same as the one presented by Prussia, so to simply assert they're not Austrians but Germans is rather simplistic IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Weg
    Was the faith really one his arguments?
    Yes the Catholic faith formed a great part of Dollfuss' political ideology.

    That was a silly one. It's not like if Germany counted a majority of Protestants. There are lots of Catholics in Germany as well.
    But they were brought under the leadership of Prussia, which many Austrians considered an upstart to the true German heritage represented by Austria(since the Hasburg Empire had roots in Charlamenge's empire).


    You could as well try to explain that Wallons are not French but "A same blood belongs to a same empire".
    That's a different matter.

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    Post Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas
    Austrians are Germans.

    Well said . Austrians or better to say; Ostmark-Germans are as German as are the Elsasser, Thuringians or mecklenburgers. It is indeed an ridicolous action to declare that the German-speaking South-Tyrolians are Italians. There is nothing Italian about them; not their names, not their custums, not their tradition food dishes, not even their attitude. Certainly the Italians will be afraid that some day, wise and brave South-Tyrolians will call for unificazion with Austria. That might be the beginning of the downfall of Italy. Other ethnic or separadistic groups could ask for independence or an larger autonomy: Padanians, Sardinians, Friulians, Aosta...

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    Post Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    South-Tyroleans have German blood inside...
    Austrians are Germans... they were always Germans and will always be Germans!
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    Thumbs Up Re: Former Italian President tells South Tyroleans that they are not Austrians

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeternitas View Post
    Austrians are Germans.
    Yes! I'm agree. But i would like add what not only Sud Tyrol is side of Osterreich but the Friaul Region too. Desafortunately it's forgot from many people.

    Friaul zum Osterreich !

    About Germans questions i have readed some original Ahnenerbe's and Gestapo's documents and Hans Gunther's original book where was wrote about germanisch Rasse and not white race.


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