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    http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJH...46/002146.html

    Scroll down about 2/3 down the page and click on Table 3.

    It is under the sub-heading genetic distances.
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    I have manually printed out the data for analytical purposes.

    Figures are in percentages.

    Note: the Sub-haplogroups of H, J, K, T, and U have respectively been combined into one larger haplogroup.

    Haplogroups A, B, C, and D are Mongoloid.

    Austria/Switzerland

    A 0
    B 0
    C 0
    D 0
    H 54
    I 2.14
    J 10.16
    K 9.09
    T 6.41
    U 13.34
    V 2.67
    W 1.60
    X .53
    Z 0
    Other0

    European Russia

    A 0
    B 0
    C 1.86
    D 1.86
    H 42.33
    I 1.40
    J 7.91
    K 2.79
    T 10.23
    U 23.27
    V 4.19
    W 2.33
    X 0
    Z .47
    Other 1.40

    Finland/Estonia

    A 0
    B 0
    C .50
    D 0
    H 44.06
    I 2.48
    J 6.94
    K 2.48
    T 6.94
    U 22.30
    V 6.44
    W 5.45
    X 1.49
    Z 0
    Other .99

    France/Italy

    A 0
    B 0
    C .4
    D .4
    H 53.62
    I .81
    J 6.04
    K 6.05
    T 14.52
    U 10.09
    V 2.82
    W .81
    X 2.02
    Z 0
    Other 2.42

    Germany

    A 0
    B 0
    C .19
    D .38
    H 48.96
    I 2.28
    J 9.3
    K 6.64
    T 9.11
    U 13.03
    V 5.12
    W 2.09
    X .76
    Z 0
    Other 1.14

    Iceland

    A 0
    B 0
    C .43
    D 0
    H 47.55
    I 4.71
    J 14.31
    K 7.72
    T 10.07
    U 11.57
    V 1.71
    W .21
    X 1.50
    Z .21
    Other 0

    Ireland

    A 0
    B 0
    C 0
    D 0
    H 47.65
    I 2.34
    J 14.06
    K 7.81
    T 9.37
    U 9.37
    V 7.03
    W 2.34
    X 0
    Z 0
    Other 0

    Orkney

    A 0
    B 0
    C 0
    D 0
    H 50.66
    I 3.29
    J 9.86
    K 9.09
    T 5.92
    U 12.5
    V 1.32
    W 1.97
    X 7.24
    Z 0
    Other 0

    Scandinavia

    A .16
    B 0
    C 0
    D .16
    H 48.53
    I 1.86
    J 10.24
    K 4.97
    T 8.84
    U 16.31
    V 5.74
    W 1.55
    X .62
    Z .62
    Other .47


    Scotland

    A 0
    B .11
    C 0
    D 0
    H 44.67
    I 4.38
    J 14.44
    K 6.73
    T 10.09
    U 11.78
    V 4.26
    W .90
    X 1.68
    Z .62
    Other .11

    Bulgaria/Turkey

    A 0
    B 0
    C 1.96
    D 4.90
    H 38.23
    I 1.96
    J 14.7
    K 5.88
    T 9.8
    U 11.76
    V 0
    W 3.92
    X 3.92
    Z 0
    Other 2.94

    Spain/Portugal

    A .85
    B 0
    C 1.14
    D .28
    H 58.52
    I .57
    J 5.96
    K 4.55
    T 5.97
    U 10.51
    V 5.97
    W 1.99
    X 1.7
    Z 0
    Other 1.99

    England/Wales

    A .23
    B 0
    C 0
    D 0
    H 52.52
    I 3.03
    J 14.45
    K 6.06
    T 7.69
    U 9.56
    V 3.73
    W 1.63
    X .93
    Z 0
    Other .47


    Western Isles/Isle of Skye

    A .41
    B 0
    C 0
    D 0
    H 34.56
    I 6.50
    J 14.64
    K 13.42
    T 12.6
    U 13.42
    V 2.03
    W .41
    X 2.03
    Z 0
    Other 0


    Saami

    A 0
    B 0
    C 0
    D 5.11
    H 5.68
    I 0
    J 0
    K 0
    T 0
    U 45.45
    V 39.77
    W .57
    X .62
    Z 3.41
    Other 0
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    Well done Tronder!

    Sadly, I have not been able to find similar data for Poland.

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    Haplogroups A,B,C,D

    As previously stated, these haplogroups are generally confined to East Asia/Siberia, and are thus, typically Mongoloid.

    However, it should be noted that Haplogroups A, C, and D improve the body's resistance to cold.

    http://www.racearchives.com/archived...D=498562037945

    Perhaps the moderate incidence of Haplogroup D among the Saami (5.11%) and even smaller incidence Haplogroups C and D among European Russians (3.72) can be attributed to this, although Mongoloid admixture is certainly not out of question.

    Haplogroup H

    High Frequencies of Haplogroup H in Spain/Portugal(58.52%) as well as England/Wales(52.52%) allow this haplogroup to be losely defined as Old European.


    Haplogroup I

    Haplogroup I is generally seen at <5% levels among the Europeans populations examined, with the highest frequency found in The Western Isles/Isle of Skye/NW Scottish (6.50%).
    Coincidentally, The Western Isles/Isle of Skye/NW Scottish have the lowest levels of Scandinavain mtDNA lineages (11.5%) among populations of the North Atlantic, so a Viking/Germanic link is not plausible. I could possibly be an Upper Paleolithic genetic relic . Haplogroup I is virtually absent (<1%) in Southern Europe.

    Haplogroup J

    Haplogroup J is a neolithic gene marker, showing the spread of agriculture through Northern and Central Europe with one branch; the other showing the Mediterranean influence in the Britsh Isles.

    Haplogroup K

    The presence of Haplogroup K shows a strong correlation with the presence of Haplogroup I, as it to is highest in The Western Isles/isle of Skye/NW Scottish (13.42%), and high among The Austrians/Swiss (9.09%), The Orkney Islanders (9.09%), The Irish (7.81%), and the Icelanders (7.72%). Such evidence suggests an Upper Paleolithic link as well.

    Haplogroup T

    Highest Incidences are in France/Italy (14.52%) and European Russia (10.23%). Make your conclusions from there, 'cause I sure as hell can't.

    Haplogroup U

    Battle-Axe/Corded. Maternal equivalent of hg 3/Eu 19/R1a.
    High incidences are in European Russia (23.27%), Finland/Estonia (22.30%), and Scandinavia (16.31%). The Saami have 45.45% of Haplogroup U, although it is a different variation (U5b1), than what is otherwise the norm.

    Haplogroup V

    All incidences of V are <10%, with exception to the Saami (39.77%), suggesting the origins of the Haplogroup.

    Haplogroup W

    Highest incidences of W are found among Finns/Estonians (5.45%) and European Russians (2.33%), suggesting Eastern Link.

    I refrained from analyzing Haplogroups X and Z.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trønder
    Haplogroups A,B,C,D

    As previously stated, these haplogroups are generally confined to East Asia/Siberia, and are thus, typically Mongoloid.

    However, it should be noted that Haplogroups A, C, and D improve the body's resistance to cold.

    http://www.racearchives.com/archived...D=498562037945

    Perhaps the moderate incidence of Haplogroup D among the Saami (5.11%) and even smaller incidence Haplogroups C and D among European Russians (3.72) can be attributed to this, although Mongoloid admixture is certainly not out of question.

    Haplogroup H

    High Frequencies of Haplogroup H in Spain/Portugal(58.52%) as well as England/Wales(52.52%) allow this haplogroup to be losely defined as Old European.


    Haplogroup I

    Haplogroup I is generally seen at <5% levels among the Europeans populations examined, with the highest frequency found in The Western Isles/Isle of Skye/NW Scottish (6.50%).
    Coincidentally, The Western Isles/Isle of Skye/NW Scottish have the lowest levels of Scandinavain mtDNA lineages (11.5%) among populations of the North Atlantic, so a Viking/Germanic link is not plausible. I could possibly be an Upper Paleolithic genetic relic . Haplogroup I is virtually absent (<1%) in Southern Europe.

    Haplogroup J

    Haplogroup J is a neolithic gene marker, showing the spread of agriculture through Northern and Central Europe with one branch; the other showing the Mediterranean influence in the Britsh Isles.

    Haplogroup K

    The presence of Haplogroup K shows a strong correlation with the presence of Haplogroup I, as it to is highest in The Western Isles/isle of Skye/NW Scottish (13.42%), and high among The Austrians/Swiss (9.09%), The Orkney Islanders (9.09%), The Irish (7.81%), and the Icelanders (7.72%). Such evidence suggests an Upper Paleolithic link as well.

    Haplogroup T

    Highest Incidences are in France/Italy (14.52%) and European Russia (10.23%). Make your conclusions from there, 'cause I sure as hell can't.

    Haplogroup U

    Battle-Axe/Corded. Maternal equivalent of hg 3/Eu 19/R1a.
    High incidences are in European Russia (23.27%), Finland/Estonia (22.30%), and Scandinavia (16.31%). The Saami have 45.45% of Haplogroup U, although it is a different variation (U5b1), than what is otherwise the norm.

    Haplogroup V

    All incidences of V are <10%, with exception to the Saami (39.77%), suggesting the origins of the Haplogroup.

    Haplogroup W

    Highest incidences of W are found among Finns/Estonians (5.45%) and European Russians (2.33%), suggesting Eastern Link.

    I refrained from analyzing Haplogroups X and Z.

    From what I know, A B C and D need not be Mongoloid. And if you look at their distribution, they seem to be found all over the place, even where there were no known Mongol incursions, like in Iberia.

    On the other hand, I know that M is definitely a Mongoloid (East Asian) marker.

    Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) polymorphism was examined in three Russian populations from the European part of Russia (Stavropol krai, Orel oblast, and Saratov oblast). This analysis showed that mitochondrial gene pool of Russians was represented by the mtDNA types belonging to haplogroups H, V, HV*, J, T, U, K, I, W, and X. A mongoloid admixture (1.5%) was revealed in the form of mtDNA types of macrohaplogroup M. Comparative analysis of the mtDNA haplogroup frequency distribution patterns in six Russian populations from the European part of Russia indicated the absence of substantial genetic differences between them. However, in Russian populations from the southern and central regions the frequency of haplogroup V (average frequency 8%) was higher than in the populations from more northern regions. Based on the data on mtDNA HVS1 sequence variation, it was shown that the diversity of haplogroup V in Russians (h = 0.742) corresponded to the highest h values observed in Europe. The reasons for genetic differentiation of the Russian population (historical, ecological, and adaptive) are discussed.

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    I also have a sneaking suspicion that K is a Celtic marker.

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    I also have a sneaking suspicion that K is a Celtic marker.
    Do you mean Celtic as in Keltic Nordic, or Celtic as in the aboriginal inhabitants of the British Isles?

    Both are possibilities here.

    From what I know, A B C and D need not be Mongoloid. And if you look at their distribution, they seem to be found all over the place, even where there were no known Mongol incursions, like in Iberia.
    Indeed the presence, albeit slight, of such haplogroups in Southern Europe arises questions as historically the source cannot be Mongoloid.

    Perhaps we have here the female equivalent of Hg 26, in which the gene marker indicates a Mongoloid lineage in some case, and in others, not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polak
    From what I know, A B C and D need not be Mongoloid. And if you look at their distribution, they seem to be found all over the place, even where there were no known Mongol incursions, like in Iberia.

    On the other hand, I know that M is definitely a Mongoloid (East Asian) marker.

    I'm such a clown.

    Haplogroup M includes C, D, E, G and Z.

    They may all be Mongoloid markers, but some may be ancient markers from before the Caucasoids and Mongoloids split, left over because they are somehow useful (cold resistance?).

    Other Mongoloid mtDNA markers are A, B and F.

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    2000 years ago Whites occupied the whole of Asia, to the Japan Sea, and probably parts of America too. But these peoples were unable to stand against the Mongols and they exterminated them or mongrelized them. Northern Chinese carry now only 10% White genes, 50% Mongol and the rest, Han genes. Even in White last reducts such as Central Europe, it is only about 70% White and the rest is Mongol. The Mongol contribution is on the male line, as we are talking about forced miscegenetion. Looking at isolines of B type blood in Euroasian continent, we see that B is purest in the Mongol heartland and its frequency declines with distance from this powerful human family. Gengis Khan has about 60 million direct descendants, some of them surely members of this group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    2000 years ago Whites occupied the whole of Asia, to the Japan Sea, and probably parts of America too. But these peoples were unable to stand against the Mongols and they exterminated them or mongrelized them. Northern Chinese carry now only 10% White genes, 50% Mongol and the rest, Han genes. Even in White last reducts such as Central Europe, it is only about 70% White and the rest is Mongol. The Mongol contribution is on the male line, as we are talking about forced miscegenetion. Looking at isolines of B type blood in Euroasian continent, we see that B is purest in the Mongol heartland and its frequency declines with distance from this powerful human family. Gengis Khan has about 60 million direct descendants, some of them surely members of this group.

    70% White and the rest Mongol?

    Which gene markers are you saying are Mongol?

    At present, I am aware that Mongol paternal lineages may reach as much as 3% in Central Europe if you count Tat-C as Mongol.

    If you don't, then the Mongol paternal contribution may be 0%.

    Female Mongol lines may reach as much as 2%, but that's probably an overestimation too.

    In terms of Genhgis Khan and his soldiers, there is actually a gene linked to them, and it doesn't show up in Europe at all.

    It shows up all over Central Asia, in Iran, and even in Pakistan, but not in Europe.

    Here is the link...

    http://web.unife.it/progetti/genetic...s/ajhg2003.pdf


    So do you have any evidence to back up what you're saying, or is this just based on your own rough "observations"?


    And blood group B is not a Mongol trait. That's because it formed BEFORE the split between Mongolids and Caucasoids.

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