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    Post Re: Classify the Israelian model Bar Refaeli

    Nordid-Mediterranid mostly with Nordid being dominant.
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    Post Re: Classify the Israelian model Bar Refaeli

    I have to say she is a very friendly/warm looking girl.

    She looks mostly Nordid with minor Med. Atlantid perhaps. Very "Progressive" looking.

    She appears to have a minor epicanthal fold on the corner of her eyes.
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    Post Re: Classify the Israelian model Bar Refaeli

    The only thing I could add is that the Mediterranid part is probably rather Eastmediterranid, even with a tendency towards Arabid, but thats just a hint, she is pred. Nordid and Mediterranid anyway and from a phenotypical standpoint really progressive and racially European, like a certain percentage of other Jews too.
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    Post Re: Classify the Israelian model Bar Refaeli

    About the presence of Nordid blood among the members of the Jewish people we can say that vestiges of megalithic monuments (dolmens in Palestine) can testify that three thousand years B.C. penetrated proto-Nordid people, proceeding from Central Europe and from the northwest, in Central and Minor Asia. There is supposed probably a Nordid participation in the Sumerian of Mesopotamia, which has been verified definitively in the hittites, the amorites and the mitanis.
    When, with posteriority, the Semitic tribes went to Palestine, there was formed the racial mixtureof the Jewish people, based on Orientalid and Armenoid blood, with some Nordid participation, later during the epoch of Egypt it will enter in the racial composition black and hamitic blood . Also the weak Nordid participation in the Jewish people increased a bit with the mixture of neighboring peoples (Philistines, cimerians and Scyths). As peoples that could introduce Nordid blood in the jewish population would be necessary to have in mind: proto-Nordids of the megalithic monuments, the Rezenu (2000 B.C.), the Amorites (1500 B.C. , the Hiittites (1400 B.C.), the Horites (1350 B.C.), the Philistines (1200 B.C.) and the Edomites (1200 B.C.).
    The Nordid participation in the Jewish current people is, according to Günther, mostly, coming from the old Palestine.

    According to Coon: “The modern Samaritans, who are generally supposed to represent the indigenous Palestinian Jewish strain more faithfully than any other, are tall, with a mean stature of 173 cm., and mesocephalic (C.I. = 78), with heads similar in dimensions to both Yemenis and Mesopotamians. Their face are moderately long (125 mm.), and narrow (132 mm.), while their thin foreheads are of moderate breadth (103 mm.). Their noses are leptorrhine (N.I. =66), and of moderate dimensions.
    In pigmentation the Samaritans show more than the usual Mediterranean 25 per cent of partial or incipient blondism; out of 35 males, 17, or two-thirds, had black or dark brown head hair, one was blond, and rest brown. Only 7 (22 per cent) out of 35 had black or dark brown beards, the rest were brown, blond and red. In the eye color, one-third were light or mixed; the rest were equally divided between dark brown and brown. The general body of Oriental jews, however, is less tall and less blond that these comparatively specialized and inbred Samaritans”.

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    Post Re: Classify the Israelian model Bar Refaeli

    Their face are moderately long (125 mm.)
    I know that body height should be calibrated comparing people born 60 years ago with some from now, but how is it with head and face dimensions, do you know some efforts of making new and relative correct numbers? I didnt read such so far and am not sure about the proportion of the environment change.

    However, I'd say that most of the Nordid blood in Ashkenazic Jews comes from later mixture with Europeans, though mixture could already have taken place in Palestine too. But the Mongolid admixture came later, probably even some of the Armenid came later, I dont think that there is absolute continuity.

    I didnt read Günthers book about Jews, so how did he valuated the Nordid admixture in them? "Even more dangerous?" "Integrable?" "Still Semitic in character?" etc...
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    Post Re: Classify the Israelian model Bar Refaeli

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    However, I'd say that most of the Nordid blood in Ashkenazic Jews comes from later mixture with Europeans, though mixture could already have taken place in Palestine too. But the Mongolid admixture came later, probably even some of the Armenid came later, I dont think that there is absolute continuity.

    I didnt read Günthers book about Jews, so how did he valuated the Nordid admixture in them? "Even more dangerous?" "Integrable?" "Still Semitic in character?" etc...

    Basically Günther admit some Nordid blood in the jewish population but not much and mostly coming from the Palestinian times. He also admits some more Nordid admixture later specially among the oriental jews. For him if the jews have more or less Nordid admixture is not big problem. This admixture produces more "european" looking jews that can facilitate the relation of some of them with real europeans during the history.

    I try to make a summary:

    As other peoples of the world, the Jew is a mixture of races. The Armenoid and the Oriental race contributed the principal components of his blood, which is different in several shades and distinguishes the oriental Jews of the southern ones. To give us a clear idea of the ethnic composition of the Jewish people, we have to go back in his history some millenniums. The countries of the Caucasus, where still the Armenoid race lives in his major purity, are considered to be like the probable original comoponent of this people. Vestiges and megalithic monuments (dolmens in Palestine) can testify that three thousand years before the Christian age arrived
    proto-Nordids, proceeding from the Central Europe and from the northwest, in the Minor and Central Asia. There is supposed probably a Nordid participation in the Sumerians of Mesopotamia, which has been verified definitively in the Hittites, Amorites and Mitani.
    When, with posteriority, the Semitic tribes went to Palestine, there was formed the racial mixture of the Jewish people, based on Oriental and Armenoid blood, with a Nordid participation. The Hebrews of Canaan were nomadics and belonged principally to the Oriental race. They were afraid of the gigantic men, of high stature, “ the children of Enak ”, who found there. By this way was formed, with different races, finnally, a population that constituted, according to Günther, an Oriental - Armenoid-Nordid-Hamitic-Negroid mixture. A participation of Hamitic and Negroid blood is supposed during the stay in Egypt, but most of the Black miscegenation dates back of later epoch, when the slaves and slaves freedmen, who were admitted into the Hebrew religion, gave place to numerous crossings. The special characteristics, as the curled hair that is observed in many Jews, the thick lips and the prominent denture, mark the racial influence of the Black blood. The weak Nordid participation in the Jewish people increase a bit with the mixture of neighboring peoples (Philistines, Cimerians and Schyts), as it is admitted clearly in his monuments and sculptures. The way of fighting of the giant Goliat against David corresponds to the Nordid nature.

    The new investigations on the racial composition of the samaritans gave as a result a considerable height, as well as 8 % of fair among the children and 10% of individuals with the light eyes. The Nordid participation in the Jewish current is, according to Günther, mostly, of probable origin from the former Palestine.

    The decrees and measurements of Esras and Nehemiah, after the return of the Babylonian captivity, had a lot of importance in the racial future development of the Jewish people. Though this legislation had as principle preserve the purity of the race and his religion, it transformed later in the code that was supporting the blood union and the isolation that up to today we observe in the Jews. The great inclination towards the trade, start with the domination and the exploitation of the neighbor and later they were entering the commercial routes of the world. They were going to Egypt, Rome, Babylonia, Persia, India and China. First of all, the commercial Jewish current went in two directions: From Palestine towards the West, along the coasts of the Mediterranean, and from Palestine towards the North, across the Caucasus and Minor Asia. Inside the own Jewish people crystallized two marked groups: the southern Jews and the oriental ones. The southern ones moved to Spain, south of France and came up to the Moselle and the central Rhine. They were prosecuted in Spain in the year 1492, and they fled to Africa and Asia Minor. The oriental Jews suffered a great racial modification for the introduction of strange blood; they were mixed, initially, by the commercial people of the Kazars, which lived in the low Volga, north coast of the Caspian Sea and in the Black sea. They were, as the kalmuks, Kirgizs and Tatars actuates, a mixture of racial Armenoids, Mongolians and East-Baltids components, with a small Nordid admixture. By the increase of the Armenoid blood and the mixture with East-Baltid and Mongolian, the oriental Jews differ from the southern ones. During his penetration in Galitzia, Poland, North Russia up to Curland, Lithuania and oriental Prussia, acquired with new specific mixtures his East-Baltids characters, and in minor degree Nordids . Also they received, on the other hand, Sudetid and Alpinid components Günther names to the oriental Judaism as Armenoid- Orientalid-East-Baltid-Alpinid- Mongoloid-Hamitic-Black; and to the southern Judaism, oriental Judaism – Orientalid-Armenoid-Mediterranid-Hamitic-Black.. The southern Jews, in comparison with the oriental ones, lost with the time Armenoid blood, due to the absorption of Oriental, Mediterranean, Hamitic and Black blood.

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