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    Surely the industrial and military resources put into making and operating these two enormous guns could have been put to better use by the Reich. It is a similar story to the development of the 188 ton Maus heavy tank, of which two were completed and three under production by the war's end (none ever saw any actual frontline service).



    Some info about the monster railway guns in addition to that provided by werwolf1488, from a book titled German Artillery in World War Two, Joachim Engelmann, 1995:

    The 80cm K (E) originated from the building of the Maginot Line by France throughout the 1920s and 1930s. Intended to be an impregnable barrier of fortified locations along the Franco-German border, the Maginot Line was built as France's shield against future German aggressions. German Army planners of the early 1930s accepted it as such, noting that to batter a way through the Line would need super-heavy artillery, so Krupps were requested to examine what types of artillery would be required. The Krupps teams prepared proposals for 70, 80, 84 and 100cm railway guns, submitted them and then turned to more realistic activities.

    The proposals were duly filed and forgotten until 1936 when Hitler made a formal visit to Essen. As part of the proceedings, Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, the head of Krupps, showed plans of the super-heavy guns to Hitler, who demonstrated his love of the gargantuan by expressing great enthusiasm for such an idea. Without further prompting or sanction Krupp ordered that the project would proceed immediately and the 80cm gun began to divert resources, manpower, talent, raw materials and money away from other potentially more fruitful projects. By 1939 the impetus of 80cm gun development was already so great that the German General Staff were virtually blackmailed into ordering three 80cm K (E) equipments, just to mollify Hitler.

    That order transformed blueprints into hardware, but at enormous cost. Millions of Reichs-marks had to he diverted to new Krupps plant and tooling, including a massive steel press larger than anything ever produced before. New factories had to be built and capacity diverted from other production facilities at a time when artillery and other weapons of all kinds were urgently needed.

    It was late 1940 before the first 80cm barrel was ready for proof-firing on a specially constructed test stand at Meppen, by which time the Maginot Line had fallen by the simple expedient of bypassing it through Belgium. Thus the main raison d'etre of the 80cm K (E) no longer applied; but production continued nevertheless. It was mid-1941 before the first complete equipment was rolled out and ready for demonstration to Hitler, who was delighted to receive the gun as a gift from Krupps. (The gift was at least partially paid for by the price tag on the second example, no less than RM 7 million for the gun and carriage alone, plus all the usual extras.)

    The 80cm K (E) was enormous. It was so large that it had to be broken down into some twenty-five loads for rail transport. Once at a firing site a crew of 1,420 personnel had to work hard for from three to six weeks to assemble the loads using mobile overhead gantries, cranes and generators.

    Once assembled, the gun straddled two pairs of railway lines like a colossus and weighed approximately 1,350 tonnes; wilh the barrel horizontal the assembled gun stood 11.6m high. In design terms there was little of note regarding the ordnance, other than its sheer scale. The 40.6-calibre barrel was 32.48m long, transported in two sections which were united by a huge locking nut. Once assembled the gun still required about 500 personnel to serve all its ammunition handling, laying and other systems, while the remainder of the crew manned light anti-aircraft guns, defended the site and carried out the numerous domestic duties necessary to keep the gun and crew in action.

    Two types of projectile were available, an HE shell weighing 4.8 tonnes and a concrete-piercing shell weighing 7.1 tonnes; even without its ballistic cap the latter was still 2.4m long. Maximum range with the HE shell was 47,000m. The best possible rate of fire was one round every 15 to 20 minutes. Even in 80cm calibre, Krupp designers were unable to part with their horizontal sliding breech mechanism, so enormous brass-plated steel cartridge cases contained just one of the three possible bagged propellant charges.

    Once the German Army had accepted the first 80cm K (E) they had to find something to do with it. The gun, named Gustav after the head of Krupps, arrived too late to participate in the early stages of Operation Barbarossa, so it was not until 1942 that, in the hands of Schwere Artillerie Abteilung 672 (E), Gustav trundled east towards Sebastopol.

    Following the usual lengthy assembly process at a specially prepared site at Bakhchisaray, the first round fired in anger by the 80cm K (E) was duly delivered against the Sebastopol defences on 5 June. By July, when the Siege of Sebastopol was ended, Gustav had fired some forty-eight operational rounds with considerable success, demolishing underground magazines and destroying coastal defence batteries.

    Soon after that Gustav travelled back to Essen for a barrel change for, during proofing, acceptance, training and operations, it had fired nearly 300 rounds. Gustav never fired another operational shot. By August 1942 a second gun, named Dora,was ready and also headed east. Its service career there remains something of a mystery. It was supposed to have taken part in the battle for Stalingrad but was hurriedly withdrawn, only to appear briefly on the Leningrad Front at one stage. Dora was certainly assembled at Rugenwalde within Germany during mid-1943.

    One thing is certain: both guns were destroyed by Allied bombing, both by the smashing of the disassembled guns and the piecemeal destruction and dispersion of their attendant trains, to say nothing of the elimination of the associated rail networks. After May 1945 parts of an incomplete third gun were found at Essen and at the Krupps testing ranges at Meppen. The only known remaining relics are projectiles and propellant cases displayed in museums.

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    Does anyone collect militaria?

    I don't know is this a right place to ask this question but I'm looking for pics of equipment of soldiers from Swedish,Swiss and German army (specially from ex DDR ) anyone can help?

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    Re: Does anyone collect militaria?

    What specifically are you looking for, I have a small private collection that I could part with depending on the buyer and the use it is going to get after I sell. I look at German militaria as almost religious, it possesses a power that worries me at times. If interested get back with me.

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    Re: Does anyone collect militaria?

    Well I collect only post WW2 militaria from armies of Poland,Switzerland and Germany(both- ex DDR and BRD).I have a small collection of Polish and DDR soldier equipment but I would like to start collect also equipment from Bundeswehr and Scandinavian armies (mostly Sweden,but also Danmark and Norway).I'm looking for pictures of complete equipment such like those two:
    http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/972/ddrhb33jv.jpg from DDR
    http://img427.imageshack.us/img427/4...eswehra6qv.jpg from BRD
    if I'll have a pics like this,I can check what is a fake or orginally item in Allegro offer.

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    If everyone looking for an excellent original Third Reich reference book or other books let me know.
    I own some very good encyclopedias printed 1938-1941 with flags, insignias, badges and tons of information.
    As seen on:
    http://www.usmbooks.com/schlag_nach.html

    or single tobacco collection cards of SA,SS,HJ
    There is a very good and absolutely scarce tobacco card album called "Deutsche Uniformen SA SS HJ"
    http://www.od43.com/Album_SA_SS_HJ.html
    Who ever is interested just send me a PM.

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    My hobby is the collecting and the history behind Party awards like the Coburg Badge, Blood Order and Gold Party Badges. I'm also into Allach Porcelain and other art and cultural pieces.

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    Repro SS patches ...


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    Day 1: 950 items maybe 600 Third Reich. Interesting to look at.


    Any medals, worth anything, have been heavily reproduced. Real ones are in collections and collectors NEVER part with them.


    Don't believe any of the descriptions either.


    I would never buy from an online auction without a 100% guarantee of a full refund if not satisfied. That's not likely to be honoured either.

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    You can get through an awful lot of money doing this and, as you say, Jagd, with no guarantee of authenticity in many cases.

    The only item I still want from this era is a German version of Mein Kampf.

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