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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet
    Yes, you do see similar morphology. I doubt these Swedes are in any way Dinarid, because they are gracile-juvenile and lack the acromegalic tendencies of Taurids. Their bodies are smaller than Atlanto-Mediterranids. Some look fragile. Maybe they are (proto-?) East-Mediterranid derived, but Lundman suggested that Faelids and Scando-Nordids arised from "closely-related Cro-Magnid proto-groups". I assume that you saw the Göta type. They are only more refined (and reduced?) from the same Cro-Magnid stock, if Lundman was right. Coon wrote under Nordid; "this type includes some Bell Beaker Dinaric absorbed in early Metal Age times." Did he only mean the The Keltic sub-type or also the other ones?
    What does Acromegalic mean?

    Yeah it was Gota type. Very Nordid in terms of pigmentation, but with some Dinarid affinites.

    I think the Keltic Nordic Dinarid strain and the Gota one are essentially the same. Dinarid seems to be a very wide spread strain in Europe.
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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    I think the Keltic Nordic Dinarid strain and the Gota one are essentially the same. Dinarid seems to be a very wide spread strain in Europe.
    Are you kidding me? Gota has nothing to do with 'keltic nordic [misnomer!] Dinarid'

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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by WestPrussian
    Are you kidding me? Gota has nothing to do with 'keltic nordic [misnomer!] Dinarid'
    Both have Bell Beaker Dinarid strains. And if you've seen Swedes. You can see the Bell Beaker traits.

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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Both have Bell Beaker Dinarid strains. And if you've seen Swedes. You can see the Bell Beaker traits.
    If you let your imagination run wild you can see anything.

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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    What does Acromegalic mean?
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/000321.htm

    Hooton believed the Dinarids and Armenoids possess Acromegalic tendencies.

    Yeah it was Gota type. Very Nordid in terms of pigmentation, but with some Dinarid affinites.
    I think what you (and many of us often call Dinarid strain when see those features) may see in parts of Europe, is not necessarily Dinarid, but something else. You need more to have a Dinarid. One affinity is Near or Middle Eastern nasal prominence. Hooton (Up From The Ape, seventh printing, 1958) believed that nasal prominence and convexity goes back to a sort of Mediterranid - the Iranian Plateau type. He believed that this type is the most probable fons et erigo (primary cause) of all the exuberant nasal convexiy that has been distributed through several "White subraces and types".

    But like I said before though, Lundman did not mention any such connection. He only related Faelids and Scando-Nordids to Cro-Magnoids. He does not explain the narrower nose and nasal convexity in the Göta though. Maybe Hooton was right that convexity may initially in a bowing or buckling that takes place when the nose is grown on a somewhat too short face as a possibly disharmonic feature.
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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/000321.htm

    Hooton believed the Dinarids and Armenoids possess Acromegalic tendencies.
    Maybe Europeans in general are more Acromegalic than some other races.

    With regards to nasal structure perhaps it is an environmental adaptation. As there is a strong correlation between nose shape and geography.

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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    With regards to nasal structure perhaps it is an environmental adaptation. As there is a strong correlation between nose shape and geography.
    The nasal form is linked to geography, but in my opinion it has a phylogenetic not an environmental cause.

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    Post Re: Classify Progressive Med Type and guess Nationality

    First of all there is a climatic cause - the air has a longer way through a longer nose and if the nose is narrower too, the air will be moisty and warm, whats especially important if its about cold, high and dry regions. Again, if we look at where prominent-convex-narrow noses are most common in Europids, we see very dry and rather high regions. Furthermore we see it probably rather negative today, but if male and aggressive features are advantageous, at least the fine-convex nose is something impressive and beautiful (not the hanging Armenoid-Assyrid obviously).
    So there are climatic factors, a constitutional (rather leptomorphic-allometric correlation) and sexual-dominance selection involved.
    In many cultures males didnt have to look "nice", thats often rather a phenomen we can consider being decadent, especially if its about very paedomorphic features EVEN IN MALES!
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