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    Question Nappy hair among some Irish, Scots.

    I have an inquiry to our resident physical anthropologists. I have noticed that some Gaelic-Americans I know have nappy, frizzy hair. My mom's friend who is a Scottish American would not pass the hair tests used in South Afrika to determine race. (If she wanted to be recognized as pure Caucasoid.)

    I have read something someplace that said that there could be found traces of Moorish admixture in some of the Irish. I am quite a bit skeptical of this, but has anyone heard that before?

    My mom's friend also married an Italian and one of her daughters was asked by a black guy if she was mulatto. I thought maybe that could be attributed to the S. Italian, but didn't say anything.

    Anyhow, I've found other Irish and Scots-Americans who have nappy hair even though it may be red or light brown.

    Does anyone know what to attribute this to?
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    Post Re: Nappy hair among some Irish, Scots.

    I am not sure of frizzy hair.

    But curly hair is probably also Cro-Magnoid - Palaeo-Atlantid or Irish Brünn. It is often associated with rufosity. Humidity can make hair curlier. That is my observation. Coon wrote that in Ireland, the occurrance of prognathism and some of the curly hair can be ascribed to "Mediterranean" types. Coon wrote that curly hair is quite common in western Ireland and in Wales, and that it is also frequent in the whole of North Africa and in the western Mediterranean shorelands of Europe. Eastern Europe is predominantly straight-haired.

    Curly hair in Britain can be of Litoroid origin. Read what Coon wrote about Cornwall.

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    Yes, I've also noticed that very curly hair is common among the Irish and western British. I've mentioned on other threads that it tends to be associated with a particular Mediterranid type; they have hooked noses and prominent (though rather shallow) chins and a somewhat broad forehead. They are also common in North Africa and Southern Spain.

    The Litoroid type has curly hair of a sort, but I would say it's almost (perhaps completely) in the wavy category, in contrast to the afore-mentioned type, whose hair borders on frizzy.

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    Post Re: Nappy hair among some Irish, Scots.

    You all make curly hair sound like a such a negative thing.

    My hair is extremely curly. If I brush it, it frizzes something awful. I usually brush the tangles out (while it is wet), then only use a "beach comb" on it after that. This keeps the friz out. I also use various prodects on my hair. I used to use "frizz-ease" and now I use "Infusium." Infusium is basically like a spray in conditioner. The majority of the time I actually pull my hair back into a tight bun while it is wet just so I don't have to mess with it. When I was young, black ladies would come up to my mom and say, "This is the surliest hair I have ever seen on a white girl." People would always ask if it was permed. Since I usually pull it up to not mess with it, when I do wear it down, I still get extreme reactions from people about it. Since having kids, my hair has thinned and relaxed tremendously on its own. My ancestry is not predominantly "Irish" nor "British." I only have 1/16 of each and my rest is German. My German ancestors are the ones with the curls.

    Two pics of me. One at age approx. 12 or so-- so no making fun of me. You can see the extent of the curls. (And glenlivet is correct about humidity making hair curlier, also frizzier.) The second pic is me now-- after having two kids-- and my hair has relaxed a lot.
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    I am french canadien and scotch irish and I have wicked thick but soft curls. My nose is not pointy but not spread across my face. yeah I get the mulatto crap too....bd

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    Post Re: Nappy hair among some Irish, Scots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator X

    I have read something someplace that said that there could be found traces of Moorish admixture in some of the Irish. I am quite a bit skeptical of this, but has anyone heard that before?

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    Post Re: Nappy hair among some Irish, Scots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator X
    I have read something someplace that said that there could be found traces of Moorish admixture in some of the Irish. I am quite a bit skeptical of this, but has anyone heard that before?
    Traces of the shipwrecked sailors of the Spanish Armada?

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    Post Re: Nappy hair among some Irish, Scots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet
    I am not sure of frizzy hair.

    But curly hair is probably also Cro-Magnoid - Palaeo-Atlantid or Irish Brünn. It is often associated with rufosity. Humidity can make hair curlier. That is my observation. Coon wrote that in Ireland, the occurrance of prognathism and some of the curly hair can be ascribed to "Mediterranean" types.
    My hair is certainly not frizzy. In fact, it is very fine and is reddish with what the hairdresser described as "lots of gold in it." When it is long, though, it curls into ringlets.

    I've been routinely classified as Bruenn.

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    Post Re: Nappy hair among some Irish, Scots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Appalachian
    Traces of the shipwrecked sailors of the Spanish Armada?
    Yeah, that thought came accross my mind as well. Not surprising considering the Irish and Spanish are both Catholic and throughout history have not cared for the English to say the least.

    Milesian, what is this supposed to convey (in reference to my inquiry?)

    Perhaps there's more to Afro-Celt sound system than meets the eye? J/K.

    There was an article on here a while ago about a Gaelic speaking Scotsman who shipwrecked and beached in North Africa. The native tribe didn't kill him like they usually killed all foreigners because they recognized his language as being related to their own. Food for thought.
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