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    Why did you gain so much weight eating like that? Tons of pasta and bread?

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    No. I said I was eating balanced. Perhapes my metabolism slowed down considerably because of lack of proper nutrition, maybe it was hormones...maybe I'm already hitting my physical prime...lol
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    Some rambling observations,

    I have been vegetarian (of sorts) for many many years now, and trust me, I am not scrawny. I obtain the necessary protein requirement from milk, cheese, eggs, and the occasional fish when I catch it.

    Milk based (whey) proteins have a far superior biological value than meat, and the fact that we Northerners exhibit nearly uniform lactose tolerance tells me that we have adapted to it to a significant extent (ie, we have evolved already to a suitable alternative to meat, from a general NW European perspective)

    I find the example of silverback gorillas interesting also, in that they can maintain a massive lean biomass on their purely vegetarian diet, so there is more to it than simply protein in/protein out regardless of species, it is our programming on what our bodies wants to do with consumed protein imo.

    Anyway, point being that one can remain very healthy on a vegetarian diet (if one should choose to adhere to such a regime for either philosophical or nutritional science reasons, or both) Vegan diets are another matter altogether, and are naught but hippy-chic onanism AFAIAC.

    Here is an interesting discussion on the modern implications of the paleolilthic diet
    and here is the phD paper an old associate of mine Greg did on his "wheat = opiate addiction" theory (damned leptosexuals and their agriculture

    Whatever the case, I do not believe that red meat is a healthy OR practical source of useable protein (as I said before, it's biological availability is actually low) and it's overconsumption leads to many health problems (our digestive tract can't cope with non-fibrous foods such as it for starters)
    I think that a milk/vegetable/nuts/omega3 fish/root vegetable diet (as long as it adheres to the "nutrient dense, kilojoule poor" pattern) is one well worth considering seriously, and is probably the way to go if you can go "cold turkey" on your wheat addiction (as postulated by Herr Wadley above) and stick to it over time.

    ps-Keep in mind also that although fruit is very good for us, unlike other primates our liver only stores enough enzyme to metabolize 40 or 50 gms of fructose at a time, which is why only 2-3 serves of fruit are recommended p/day for humans. We can also only reasonably utilize 50-60gms of protein at a time, hence bodybuilders having many smaller protein infusions. rather than several wasteful large ones.

    pps-but after having written all that, redmeat consumption HAS played a part in our society, so I can not rationally say that it will/should not play a further part. I merely argue the overwhelmingly numerous positives to the paleolithic alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SURT
    Some rambling observations,

    I have been vegetarian (of sorts) for many many years now, and trust me, I am not scrawny. I obtain the necessary protein requirement from milk, cheese, eggs, and the occasional fish when I catch it.

    Milk based (whey) proteins have a far superior biological value than meat, and the fact that we Northerners exhibit nearly uniform lactose tolerance tells me that we have adapted to it to a significant extent (ie, we have evolved already to a suitable alternative to meat, from a general NW European perspective)

    I find the example of silverback gorillas interesting also, in that they can maintain a massive lean biomass on their purely vegetarian diet, so there is more to it than simply protein in/protein out regardless of species, it is our programming on what our bodies wants to do with consumed protein imo.

    Anyway, point being that one can remain very healthy on a vegetarian diet (if one should choose to adhere to such a regime for either philosophical or nutritional science reasons, or both) Vegan diets are another matter altogether, and are naught but hippy-chic onanism AFAIAC.

    Here is an interesting discussion on the modern implications of the paleolilthic diet
    and here is the phD paper an old associate of mine Greg did on his "wheat = opiate addiction" theory (damned leptosexuals and their agriculture

    Whatever the case, I do not believe that red meat is a healthy OR practical source of useable protein (as I said before, it's biological availability is actually low) and it's overconsumption leads to many health problems (our digestive tract can't cope with non-fibrous foods such as it for starters)
    I think that a milk/vegetable/nuts/omega3 fish/root vegetable diet (as long as it adheres to the "nutrient dense, kilojoule poor" pattern) is one well worth considering seriously, and is probably the way to go if you can go "cold turkey" on your wheat addiction (as postulated by Herr Wadley above) and stick to it over time.

    ps-Keep in mind also that although fruit is very good for us, unlike other primates our liver only stores enough enzyme to metabolize 40 or 50 gms of fructose at a time, which is why only 2-3 serves of fruit are recommended p/day for humans. We can also only reasonably utilize 50-60gms of protein at a time, hence bodybuilders having many smaller protein infusions. rather than several wasteful large ones.

    pps-but after having written all that, redmeat consumption HAS played a part in our society, so I can not rationally say that it will/should not play a further part. I merely argue the overwhelmingly numerous positives to the paleolithic alternative.
    That is true now that I think about it, in the law of biology, the producers have the most nutritional value, the value lowers as that nutrition passes from one consumer to another.

    As far as dairy goes, the quality of the dairy depends on who you get it from. I suppose the US is the only place that practices the use of Growth Hormones which end up causing bacterial infections to the cow and then they give the cow anti-biotics....well...you see where I'm going with this. I'm not anti-milk or anything, it's just important to make sure you know what is done to the cow it's coming from before you consume it.

    I want to add though that the protien in meat (or fish) is nessecary to some extent, you don't need to eat it all the time but it is different from any other protien you yet.

    Anyway, point taken...lol forgot about fish there.
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    On the whole topiC;

    The human was designed to be an omnivore, and shall remain such.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

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    The only reason you will need NOT TO GO VEGITARIAN...

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    I don't get you Vegans. I like too much meat and porkery. What would be a life without Pork? :runaway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigurd
    On the whole topiC;

    The human was designed to be an omnivore, and shall remain such.
    You know...that pretty much sums it up
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    hehe...I found out quite recently that my first solid food was Caribou liver! Meat is good!

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    The most interesting meat I've had lol is Bavarian Meatloaf.

    I haven't had any of this kidney etc stuff. I'll try it sometime though.
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