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    Post Somatopsychical Structures in Human Races [Hans Burckhardt]

    by HANS BURKHARDT


    In the July 1960 issue of The Mankind Quarterly, Professor Henry E. Garrett dealt with the race psychological examinations made by Otto Klineberg, Social Psychologist of Columbia University. Klineberg, in concluding his examination, used these words: "The scientist knows of no relation between race and psychology." Garret refered to the insufficient evidence which Klineberg gave, and to the wrong or one-sided conclusions of the evaluation of Negro-white differences in mental tests. In connection with this review it will be possible to place the objections against Klineberg's generalized proposition on a much broader basis. We believe that we may take it for granted that the results of scientific examination on the essential points of this subject have been anticipated by the very formulation of the questions. For, if the social psychological problems are the centre of interest—as is the case with Klineberg's examination—light will be thrown nearly exclusively on environmental peculiarities, while genetic factors will remain obscured. It will then be easy to show that possibly all the differences between men are conditioned by environmental differences, and it will be easy to support this thesis with many exact details. It is just as easy to show that possibly all differences between men are genetically conditioned, by directing the attention only towards the character of a man's ancestors and his innate constitutional characteristics.

    In reality there is much truth in both aspects. However, the scientist fails in this task when he tries to disprove one aspect in favour of the other. It should not even be his task to estimate and perhaps state in figures the relative strength of the various factors which form a man—how much influence is owing to the environment here and to the heriditary presuppositions there. For this is indeed a matter of quite unequal factors—it is in a way a matter of two dimensions of human nature. Our language does not give us any direct possibility of demarcating these two dimensions with an unfailing precision. When we often overlook one of the two dimensions, because we cannot always grasp it or define it, this should not allow us to conclude that it is without importance.

    I will try to make this clear by referring to the difference between two sexes. Apart from the primary genitals, the physical habitude of man and moman is distinguished in so many details that neither the vocabulary of the scientist nor that of the poet will suffice to include them all. But it is much more difficult to state fairly exactly the differences of the psychical habitude between man and woman. It is our task here to say something about the genetically conditoned differences of the psychical habitude. For, as is well known, the sex of a human being is genetically determined, all primary sexual features being anchored in the X and Y chromosomes. When directing attention to sociological relations, it is not difficult to show that many differences between man and woman evidently are conditioned by institutions which date from past times, by traditional views about the part and the task of the woman here, and of the man there, in human society. However, are we to believe the sociologist if, after showing us all these facts, he then says: "because man and woman do not find the same sociological conditions, differences between the sexes which are not determined by the environment are not provable"? Should we believe him when, after bringing before us many exact figures and statements about the IQ of both sexes, he finally concludes: "the scientist knows of no relation between sex and psychology"? Indeed nobody can doubt the truth that the two sexes are two biological variants of human existence, apart from different dispositions also with respect to psychical nature and conduct. From the earliest age the woman in the typical case is different from the man in every emotion, and in these differences are already expressed different psychical dispositions, possibilities, feelings, and endeavours.

    The reason for referring to the difference between the sexes is because we have here a simplified, model case for the mutual connection between certain physical and certain psychical, genetically conditioned, structures. It is needless to ask whether psychical features are embedded in the genes. The physical features are anchored in the genes, and they directly and inevitably influence the psychical conduct and habitude.

    Our model case also refers us to other connections of importance to us. Generally man and woman are only different with respect to the specific physical and psychical characteristics bound to the sex. With regard to all other predispositions man and woman may be very different or they may be very alike. As, however, these other predispositions are entwined with the predisositions of the specific sex character, it is very difficult—and in the psychical case twice as difficult—to see and explore the isolated specific characteristics. We must know from the very start that they affect the whole physical and psychical structure. The women, if we may be allowed to say so, personifies another mode of human existence than the man. In an absolutely comparable way, as will be shown in the following, a certain type of constitution and certain racial specific characteristics can be determining for different modes of human existence. (But it should be mentioned that the sexual difference is exceptional in so far as—by the way in wich the sex chromosomes are transmitted, except in pathological cases—there is no mixture or weakening of the differences, but for each individual only an either or an or).

    These suggestions may so far be sufficient in connection with our subject. Nevertheless I want to refer now to another field of research, which indeed does not quite directly contribute to the psychology of races either, but which can help to explain the basis and ideas involved. This is the field of constitutional research. In connection with the efforts which have been made in order to examine the relations between build and character, the results of Ernst Kretschmer in Germany, and those of William E. Sheldon in America, have become very well known. Both agree on essential questions and can rely on rather exact anthropometic material, physiological experiments and psychological tests. We will only point out the things about which they agree. They can show that men with heavy, athletic build have a comparatively slow psychical rate and little adaptability, but often great energy and firmness. They can show that men with round and weak build are distinguished by an extroverted and sociophile character, by contactability and adaptability and a very relaxable nature. Men with slim stature are preferably touchy, sensitive, but at the same time sociophobe men, who face life with inhibitions and tensions—also such are of a very productive kind. Finally both these scientists recognise a group of physical dysplastic-constituted men, where, in the typical case, psychical disharmonies—or at any rate very extraordinary proportions of psychical endeavours and abilities—are also provable. Thus the types of constitution present themselves as various bases for the physical and at the same time the psychical structure of the man. At the same time, however, these bases ally themselves with many physical and psychical characteristics which independent of them can show every imaginable difference in single individuals of the same constitutional type.

    It is, however, important to state that these bases are biologically founded and essentially genetically conditioned. Here therefore the proof that certain physical and psychical features belong together is especially convincing, as in this case the sociologist has practically no possibility of employing his theories. The various constitutional types are to be found among all peoples and in all social classes—one type is not favoured in preference to another by better environmental conditions. The science of constitutional types thus gives us at the same time the best arguments for the importance of heredity for certain components of the psychical habitude.

    Certainly, as already explained, there is no direct bridge from constitutional research to racial psychology. Numerous examinations in quite different climates and continents have resulted in the fact that the known constitutional bases are not restricted to certain races. Perhaps every culture needs these variation types; perhaps here also we have variants of human existence which are complementary to each other in an ingenious way, each of them pointing to another particular direction of human possibilities. At the same time, however, each of these constitutions shows weak points and a critical one-sidedness, as if nature could not present a completely happy constructional model of mankind. Here, however, with the constitutional types, an important function has to be awarded to the continuous interbreeding of one with another, whereby one-sidedness may be counterbalanced.

    Obviously, however, the nature and character of the constitutional type—which is independent of the environment—is not at all independent of the other hereditarily determined structures. Again the sexual differences present themselves as a example. We know the same constitutional types in both sexes. But, for instance, the athletic type in its classical form will only be observed in the man, whereas in the woman the characteristics of this type will only appear in a varied and broken form. According to their original tendencies, two independent biotypes are inter-acting together—either in competition with each other, or strengthening each other.

    In addition, a third, the racial type, joins these two biotypes. The relations between the constitutional type and the racial type are not of a negative kind. There is no doubt that certain racial specific structures may emphasise a certain constitutional type, while others may have the reverse effect. Put in another way, it may be said that we are finding different accents with the various races and strains. But it is still more important for us to maintain that certain physical and certain psychical characteristics and dispositions within each of the three biotypes mentioned represents a unity. Within the field of animal breeding acknowledgments of this kind are natural. When crossing horses no breeder would be guided by the absurd idea of combining, for example, the rough skeletal structure of the heavy cold-blooded race with the nervous temperament of the thoroughbred race. These two things cannot be separated. On the level of the biological sciences, body and psyche, generally and with regard to all single features, are two sides of the same thing.

    The attempt to perceive the characteristic structures of the various races more exactly than hitherto first of all presupposes that we are bringing well characterized races or strains in all continents into our field of vision. It is true that anthropology has gathered a very large body of observations, but the task of sifting this material has certainly not been completed. As there are no absolutely fixed racial limits, and probably never have been, since there are rather certain strains with some specific physical-psychical characteristics within each larger racial group, it would be perhaps be best if our first step were to divide the many structures which are typical for one larger racial group into single structures which perhaps to a larger extent are independent of each other. Of course it is not at all the case that two different races are different in all hereditarily conditioned structures. Certain structures may be common, others may show the most manifold variations. Apart from the fact that many predispositions are common for all races, nobody can stipulate whether a certain race is characterized by many or only by some few predispositions of a special kind. (It is a matter of definition whether a group for which only some few characteristic features are specific can be called a race, or better a strain.) After this introduction we will try to give examples for certain structures, which not alone, but in association with other structures, are typical for certain races. We have to thank the well known German anthropologist E. von Eickstedt for many insights in this direction, as well as F. Keiter, who has contributed many points of view by his examinations of culture and race.

    Let us begin by referring to structures which seem so closely related to certain chracteristics of the well known constitutional types, that indeed with some races, racial type and constitutional type point in the same direction—whereas other races present a large range of variations. Thus, we know of pronouncedly slim and pronouncedly square-built racial types. We may say that for the slim racial types a cooler psychical temperament is characteristic, a stronger sense of distance and a style of conduct, and further also more sense of movement than of settlement. As an extreme case of an extraordinarily slim race the anthropologists describe certain Hamitic cattle tribes of Ethiopid race in North Africa. The slim racial type with slim head on a free neck, narrow hips and long limbs has at all times been regarded as an aristocratic type (1)—but one-sided specialized racial types often show limitations of the psychical life.

    When we talk about heavy and light tribes and races, we are keeping another difference in view regarding the constitutional and psychical habitude. No doubt this difference is connected with a different kind of motoric and dynamic. With the light type we find activity, high speed, a light hand and often an agile spirit and a free elegance. With the bulkier type the heavy spirit also determines the psychical life. The inclination to be static is stronger than the need for movement and change. Within Europe the light type is more frequent in the coastal regions of the South as well as in the North, and the heavy type in the continental regions.

    Another difference in structure, similar to that just mentioned, but yet in another way distinct, is found when we distinguish races and strains as large or of a more delicate stature. To the first mentioned type belong large hands and feet as well as strong lower legs and a coarse-pored skin. That this difference in stature is of importance in connection with the psychical habitude can already be seen with races of animals. Large dogs have a different behaviour and character from that of small ones. Among most of the primitive peoples known by us today the fine—that is not tall—type is predominant. In the European regions certain Mediterranean types are particularly fine. We find such pronounced graceful forms within the Indian racial type. (2) A further example of this fine type of constitution gives the Japanese people its character. Rather regularly it can be stated that men of the fine type show quicker reaction, whereas the contrary type is more dignified and reflecting in behaviour. It would be possible to demonstrate with many examples that every type of man is inclined to form the world surrounding him after his own image. For instance, the Japanese love the fine form of manners and things, while all that the men of Central and Northern Europe love to have around them seems gigantic and clumsy by comparison.

    Important connections become visible when we try to distinguish betwen race with strongly and faintly differentiated and segmented build. Strong differentiation means that limbs, trunk and head are well shaped and distinctly demarcated from each other, and that the forms of the face—especially the orbits and the root of the nose—are strongly chiselled out. The strongly formed face gives the impression of forms which have been chiselled from within and outwardly. The contrast is shown by the Mongoloid face which, with reference to the Huns, was described long ago by a Roman writer as appearing as though some faint impressions had been pressed into a clod of clay. A strong differentiation evidently coincides with a strong accentuation of individuality. The individual in such cases stands out from his surroundings. His own life and character are opposed to the outside world in an accentuated way—subject and object are confronted. Solid psychical substance and stabilized feeling of individuality characterizes this type of man. This does not mean that the less thoroughly formed and profiled races have smaller possibilities of development of the spiritual life. The old high cultures in East Asia essentially associated with men of this type which is not very pofiled, point in the opposite direction. Here the physical and psychical types are adapted to integration. Together with the more fluid psychical contents, the feeling of reciprocity and of universal harmony comes to have influence. Nevertheless, it is true to say that the strongly formed and demarcated—such as the human figure as a subject of art—has been neglected in Eastern Asia compared with the European regions. As the man understands and represents himself, so he is basically in his character.

    It is also worth looking at the difference between a more coarse and rough and a more refined form of details in the human races. Where coarse and rough forms are predominant, the psychical life is a little weaker and is poorer in finer perceptions. Certainly it is self-evident that a stronger accumulation of the psychical forces can be to the benefit of power and extroversion. Strongly differentiated features express a fine graduated self-consciousness, a greater psychical selectivity and polyphony. In Europe the Dinaric racial type, which is to be found in mountainous regions, especially in the Balkans, has much more coarse forms than for instance the Northern European type. The constitution is coarse, athletic, the nose is rough and big, the skull is steep, the lower jaw is long. Skin and hair are also of a coarse nature. At the same time it is quite clear that the psychical life is not so differentiated as in the Northern European regions. There is no doubt that the pituitary gland has an influence on such characters, so that with different races we get differently developed characteristics.

    We are approaching another polarity which can be essential for the collection of typical racial features when we distinguish between a dry and a moist type. Here we may assume especially close relations to the climate and the soil. Anthropologists know the thin, dry and sinewy desert type, bred in acclimatization (3) to drought and steppe. They know, in contrast to this, the often plump or spongy types found in the more moist regions. In typical cases, dry, thin men show a certain narrowness of the mental life, and not seldom a fanatic toughness. Plump men have a more broad and fluid mentality and a softer and more restrained emotional life.

    Finally, expressed in a more generalised and therefore slightly risky manner, it can be said that a human type whose mental life tends to be turned outwards and to be more transparent in its psychical emotions can be distinguished from another type whose mental life is less extroverted and less transparent. Chiefly it is a question of differences in sensibilty, of the degree of accessibility to impressions of all kinds, of the vivacity of the involuntary means of expression. The psychical conditions appear naturally and spontaneously in the physical conditions. This is perceived in the change of the blood distribution, in the interaction of the sympatheticus and parasympatheticus in the expression of the eyes, and in many physiological processes which tend to become visible in the skin. The increased thickness of the skin sees a diminution of the increased sensibility to which we have already referred. Here we see the close connection between the nature of the skin and the psychical aspects of life. Relations to the climate, to the original homes of certain races and tribes are here again distinctly indicated. Men in warm countries and in those with maritime climates are more sensitive, and in this connection more lively in their expression, than men in colder and more continental regions. Especially we may mention hee the races of Central Asia, which are bred on the facility to develop insensibility, toughness and the capability to endure suffering. According to available examinations, the Mongoloid type also is predisposed to a reduced metabolism, which, as is well known, is dependent on the function of the thyroid gland. Thus a whole number of physiological characteristics are probably involved. The racial type in Northern Europe is characterized as a sensitive human type by the nature of the delicate and light skin. The association of this sensitive type with the physical traits can be most clearly seen in the reactions of the light-blond, and particularly in the case of the red-haired, delicate-skinned men. When we hear that colour of skin and hair of the various men has nothing to do with the psychical nature, we can be sure that such statements miss the point altogeher.

    Interesting perspectives open when, in addition to all this, we look at the fact that some races are highly specialised—that is to say, they are adapted to very specific surroundings—whereas others are to a very high degree independent of their surroundings. Generally we can observe that the races which are highly specialised in their physical conditions are also limited with regard to their psychical possibilities. As examples of adaption to a very specific landscape and a very specific form of life, anthropologists mention the Hamitic nomads of Ethiopid race, and also the samid race (Bushmen type). In a most unambiguous way the last mentioned type has been bred for a life in the dry sandy regions of South Africa. Races of this kind easily get into a blind alley with respect to their possibilities of development. It is well known that the special biological advantages of the genus humanum lie in the fact that man, in quite a different way from the animals, knows how to make himself independent of specific surroundings. The human types which have followed the direction longest have of course the best chances of spreading. Here first of all most branches of the Mongoloid races have to be mentioned. Thanks to a special adaptability of the most passive kind, they can assert themselves in the most widely differing zones of the world. Von Eickstedt refers to the fact that with this racial type even the skin is especially suited to the acclimatization in all zones of the world. According to their psychical habitude they are highly docile and able to learn. Quite other, indeed nearly opposite physical and psychical abilities have enabled the men of North European origin likewise to disregard all specific surroundings. Here it is not really the ability to suffer the surroundings as they are, but the ability to interfere actively, to form the world and to continue to invent new possibillties, and so dominate over the environment.

    The science of anthropology is very familiar with the observation that there are races which have more primitive features and others which have more progressive ones. Primitive are all those morphological features which are closely similar to those found in the Anthropoids. To these features, as is well known belong the narrow, coarse-boned skull with retreating forehead, retreating, only slightly formed chin, deep rot of the nose and broad enlarged wings of the nose, long arms and slim form of hands and feet. The Australid race shows chracteristics of this kind most clearly. The Negroid racial branch has become removed from the original type with regard to many features—for instance, simple form of skull and thick lips. Exact observation shows that in each main race some features of an original kind have been connected with other, progressive, features in a different way, so that it is impossible to range the races in a single row between the poles of primitiveness and progressiveness. However, it seems important to us to state that primitive features of a psychical kind are always to be found connected with many primitive morphological features. Here the short curve of psychical reactions, the spontaneous surrender of the affective life and the early closing of the mental maturity have to be mentioned along primitive characters. Progressive human types, on the other hand, keep their faculty for learning longer and gain a greater distance to the world in which they live.

    Not identical with primitiveness is the physical and psychical infancy which—within the limits of the norm—is characteristic of some races. We find it in the Pygmy races in their regions of retirement from the main areas of human settlement in Africa and South East Asia. These races are, however, not all like the original forms from which they have been derived. They are much more to be regarded as a human type which has been driven into a by-way. They are characterized by childlike round and simple forms, a strong lordosis of the spinal column, and a relatively large skull with a distended forehead. Their psychical type corresponds to the morphological one. These people are described by all observers as being shy of strangers, but cheerful, naive, carefree and good-natured.

    Surprising perspectives are opened when we look at features of partial infantile character in the otherwise absolutely progressive races. Lately great attention has been paid to the fact that anthropoid apes in their childhood are much more like men than grown-up apes. In a way, in the origin of mankind, nature made use of a trick by retaining some infantile features much longer, and others for life. Man only becomes a man thanks to his much prolonged childhood, which is due to his much prolonged faculty of learning. We know that men who have the gift of the highest capacity for thinking and imagination, especially the geniuses, are nearly always characterized by some childlike features. Within certain limits this is undoubtely also true for such races which are especially capable of development. With the North European type of man it is perhaps the defiency of pigment and the nature of the skin which points in this direction. (4)

    Finally we may refer to the fact that in some cases neither is the sexual difference, as shown in the formation of the masculine and the feminine type, quite independent of the racial type. We know that there are some races which are more masculine and others which are more feminine accentuated. With this the circle of our observations is closing. We know that the constitutional types are not directly dependent on the racial type; we may observe, however, that in many ways they can be varied by the racial type, here fortified, there weakened. We know still more surely that the sexual difference according to its character is independent of the racial type. We also see here, however, that the racial type can stress or weaken certain structures. Very virile races which we can obviously find in mountainous countries—again we may refer to the Dinaric racial type—have firmer, harder constitutional forms, a coarser skin and a strong accentuation of nose, lower jaw and chin. The big, convex nose especially may be considered as a virile morphological feature. With regard to their psychical structure men of this kind are more rough, harder and finished. The will-life is predominant. A more feminine accentuated physical and psychical habitude is characterized by physical-mental maturity, by openness and comprehensive integration. Here all forms are softer and more balanced. Wise Chinese have referred to the fact that the Sinid type is the highest developed type among the Mongloid races, and that it shows features which point in this direction.

    All the examples and observations mentioned here cannot be much more than the beginning of the attempt to understand and define somatopsychical structures conditioned by races. At any rate they show us that the differences which we find between the races and strains are to be valued positively. But these differences do not in any way create he basis for a dangerous phenomenon of racial hatred any more than, equally absurdly, does the knowledge of the fact that there are different constitutional types lead to, or justify, the creation of a doctrine that certain constitutional types should be promoted and others should be oppressed. Racial types differ in one important respect from the constitutional types which we have been discussing. Each racial type is the result of selection through the influence of certain conditions of life during a very long space of time. Each race has had to assert itself in the course of a very long time and consequently it presents a lucky balance of characters. We must realise that men as such are a chance experiment of nature. The races of men are not as clearly defined as are the divisions among the animals. Race is all the time threatened by splitting tendencies. However, each race of clear character with respect to its physical and also its psychical traits shows a natural firm hold and appears to us as a convincing unit of the two elements which are so often diverging in men, that is as a unity of nature and spirit. In this, race presents a difference from the constitutional types in a more restricted sense. As mentioned before, these seem to be directly predetermined to continue to interbreed. As in the case of each of the constitutional types the way to pathological extremes is not very long—the balance is suported by the mixture. We are not however entitled to say the same thing about the interbreeding of races. All considerations and experiments cause us to be cautiousand critical towards all tendencies which promote haphazard race mixture, although it may be that in many single instances interbreeding of certain racial strains may have favourable results. Of course racial tyes which do not differ in many hereditary predispositions have interbred as long as mankind has existed. Both the separation and the mixture of various human strains have at all times alternately contributed their part to the forming of human appearance. But while this is so, may we dare to promote mixture as long as there are means to omit it in all agreement with humane thinking? We will answer 'no' to this question when we consider that this interbreeding is a development which we can on no account reverse. It must futhermore be remembered that racially conditioned characteristics of a physical and psychical kind, once lost, will be lost for ever.


    (1) Which is, no doubt, due to the fact that all tall races, which tend to have an advantage in war, have very frequently contributed largely to those conquering tribes and peoples who gave rise to aristocracies when they overwhelmed other stocks.—Editor.
    (2) Which is also, in a large measure, Mediterranean.—Editor.
    (3) Strictly speaking, it is not so much acclimatization as adaption.—Editor.
    (4) They are certainly quite late in development compared with the Melanoid races.—Editor.


    BIOGRAPHICAL NOTE


    Hans Burkhardt. Born 1904. Educated 1923-1928 at the Hochschule (Medizin), Würzburg. Served as Psychiatrist in clinics and hospitals in Würzburg, Hamburg, Neuhaldensleben and Schleswig. From 1953, chief medical specialist in psychiatry for women at the Landes Hospital in Schleswig. Among his publications are Der rassenhygienische Gedanke und seine Grundlagen (Munich 1930), Die seelischen Anlagen des nordischen Menschen (Berlin 1941), Das Abenteuer ein Mensch zu sein (Lübeck 1954).

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    A great article with many good points, though its finally just about the same pattern all over again, namely how constitutional and sex type correspond to racial type and form in the race something more stabilised. Other factors are rather secondary in this text and there is quite a lot of speculation in certain areas, but still, a good read - recommended and with many good infos especially for those new to the subject.

    As always its good to distinguish:
    Racial type
    Constitutional type
    Sex type
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    Environmental factors which can change the genotypical picture

    This thread about the racial body typology of Lundman is of interest if its about this subject too: Lundmans racial body typology

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    Sex type in males of the same constitutional type (more female or male) tendencies - index of gyandromorphy), male and female basic type of the same constitution, constitutional types after Sheldon, growth in normal racial types and extreme infantile-paedomorphic adult (Bambutid - Pygmy of Central Africa):




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    Dr. C.H. Straz's geometrical philosophy of female "Racial beauty ideals".

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    How come the black lady has no hips? What is a 'proto-morph'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperator X
    How come the black lady has no hips? What is a 'proto-morph'?
    Because typical Negrids have narrower hips and protomorphic means basically primitive, unspecialised. So protomorphic means "the original, primitive form from which the others emerged.
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    Generally, narrower hips and larger secondary sex characteristics (ass).

    People seem to easily confuse these two, and believe blacks have larger hips, when in fact they have the narrowest.

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    Post Re: Somatopsychical Structures in Human Races

    Quote Originally Posted by itsallaroundyou
    Generally, narrower hips and larger secondary sex characteristics (ass).

    People seem to easily confuse these two, and believe blacks have larger hips, when in fact they have the narrowest.
    Are the buttocks of the Negrid absolutely larger or do they appear larger because they are attached to narrower thighs?

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    Post Re: Somatopsychical Structures in Human Races

    Quote Originally Posted by Wasterzhi
    Are the buttocks of the Negrid absolutely larger or do they appear larger because they are attached to narrower thighs?
    Steatopegy and associated tendencies are most common Khoisanids but occur in Negrids too and the general tendency towards such buttock forms is stronger in Negrids. Its stronger in Southern Negrids (Kafrids, which show Khoisanid admixture partly) than both in the typical Sudanids of West Africa or the Central African Palaenegrids.
    Whats make the buttocks looking even more extreme is the loin lordosis which is a racial feature and tendency of Negrids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasterzhi
    Are the buttocks of the Negrid absolutely larger or do they appear larger because they are attached to narrower thighs?
    They are larger in a very real way. Sometimes twice as fat as an aestetically pleasing female backside should be. In Africa women with a very fat butt were selected for, and they eventually evolved this trait.

    http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/brandnewday/archives/2005/08/_maybe_its_beca.html


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    Post Re: Somatopsychical Structures in Human Races

    Quote Originally Posted by NordicPower88
    They are larger in a very real way. Sometimes twice as fat as an aestetically pleasing female backside should be. In Africa women with a very fat butt were selected for, and they eventually evolved this trait.

    http://www.businessweek.com/the_thre..._its_beca.html
    The thing that you fail to point out, is that the female in the Nike Butt ad, is not black. Nor is it only black women who have large butts.

    http://nikewomen.nike.com/nikewomen/us/index.jhtml

    When you get to the site, click on the red flowers in the upper right corner of the screen. Then click on the butt body part to see her.
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