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    Germany's Falling Birth Rate - Source of National Alarm

    Sandwiched between short-term unemployment woes and steadily declining birth rates, Germany has only gradually set about tackling its population problems.

    At issue are the impacts of a dwindling birth rate and an aging population on the economy and the workforce in decades to come. It is not an immediate problem, nor is it one which will be unique to Germany, but nonetheless, people here seem to have cottoned onto this distant prospect and woven it into the woes of the nation in a way that other Europeans facing the same, or even worse predictions, have not.

    The indicators do indeed show that there will be a disproportionate number of over 60s living in Germany by 2050, but what is it that makes the population of today worry so far ahead about a problem to which other nations seem to turn an ignorantly blind eye?

    Steffen Kröhnert of the Berlin Institute for World Population and Global Development says there are two factors which fuel Germany's concern.

    "Birth rates in Germany have been falling since the seventies, whereas in other countries the trend only started ten years ago, and it takes time for people to take the problem on board," Kröhnert said.

    "But moreover, high unemployment levels led to a lot of talk about empty state coffers. People were not worrying about demographic issues, but when they started to realize how the problems of the labor market were affecting national finances, they began to think differrently," he added.

    With arguments abounding that the density of the world population is already too much for our natural resources to sustain, there is the question of whether it is justifiable to continue pushing for greater human growth rates at all.

    Kröhnert says the aim is not to spawn a continually bigger population, but to find ways of dealing with the steady decline and the reality that each generation is a third smaller than the one it succeeds.

    "It would be enough if the birth rate simply remained stable, but as long as it continues to fall, the imbalance cannot be corrected," he said.
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    German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    The number of children born in Germany last year was the lowest since the end of the second world war, the Federal Statistical Office reported yesterday. According to provisional figures, 680,000 babies were born in 2005, down from 1.36 million in 1964.

    Germany now has the lowest birth rate in Europe with 8.5 births per 1,000 inhabitants, while in Britain it is 12, France 12.7, the Netherlands 11.9 and Ireland 15.2. The figures also show falling birth rates across former communist eastern Europe and the Baltic states, including Poland (9.3), Bulgaria (9) and Latvia (8.8).

    Leading economists said unless Germans started breeding again Europe's biggest nation faced the prospect of reduced growth, economic decline and an elderly shrinking population.

    "We are reaching a critical point," Michael Hüther, the head of Cologne's economics institute, told Die Welt newspaper. "The number of births now determines what happens in the next decade-and-a-half to two decades. You can't revise it afterwards. The availability of human capital will get worse, and act as a brake on growth."

    He told the Guardian: "The tradition in the 1950s, 60s and even the 80s in Germany was that a mother was only a mother and looked after the children."

    Last year Germany's family minister, Ursula von der Leyen, tabled proposals to encourage reluctant couples to have children. They included tax breaks of €3,000 a year for working couples, more nursery places, and a new state-funded welfare scheme that requires men to take two months off for families to get full funding. So far the changes appear to have had little impact and they have been criticised by some as a perk for the well-off.

    Experts have pointed to many reasons why Germans are failing to reproduce - a conservative family culture, with women expected to stay at home; schools that finish at lunchtime; and a tax system that discriminates against working women. "I'd like to have children. But to do so now would kill off my career," Steffi Warnke, a 31-year-old PhD student at Berlin's Free University told the Guardian.

    "The problem is we study in Germany for a long time. When you reach the stage you are applying for academic jobs you are 30-35. And if you do have kids you don't get much support. Germany is becoming a society of pensioners. You only have to turn on the TV to see that all the programmes are for the over-50s."

    The latest federal figures show wide regional discrepancies. The highest birth rate is in former West Germany, with Wiesbaden (10.5), Frankfurt (10.2) and Bonn (10.1) topping the list. In former communist East Germany, by contrast, the birth rate is alarmingly low, with the city of Chemnitz (6.9) registering the lowest birth rate in the world. According to Eurostat, the EU's statistics agency, by 2050 Europe's population will have fallen by around 1.5%, or 7 million people.
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    What awful news.

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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    How many of the 680,000 infants born in Germany last year were actually German?

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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    http://www.zuwanderung.de/english/1_statistik.html

    Sex, age and birth rates

    In 2003, 3.4 million foreigners (47%) were women and 3.9 million (53%) were men. With an average age of 34, foreigners are younger than native Germans by eight years. In 2003, of the 76,200 children born to foreigners in Germany,


    This is all I could find at this time. From personal experience I do know, that you will see many more foreign children on the playgrounds than German children. Also if you check around in the different Kindergartens, you will see the foreign look as the predomininant one. Just go downtown Stuttgart with the Strassenbahn, and the main language spoken by the passengers is not German.
    As a culture, German is very pro-education, anti-marriage. And I am not just saying empty words. When I go back for a visit, I live among the people, many times for three month at a time. I interview, I visit, I write..........Their worldview is so different today than back when I grew up.

    Yes, there are exceptions. But those exceptions are not the rule.

    I asked a young "couple" which had been living together for two years, both of them in their upper-twenties, if they are planning on getting married soon and perhaps start a family. Their answer, which is, sadly so, more than not a typical answer, was and I am paraphrasing: "Oh no, we don't even know yet if we want to be together for the rest of our life. And children, no way. In today's world?"

    I asked them how long two people have to live together before they knew if they can spend the rest of their lives together.

    My Papa recently told me when he looks around what has become of Germany he feels much shame and sorrow. He stated that he can talk and try to educate, but the young no longer listen to the advise from the old ones.

    This is not just a "moral-religious" issue, but it is a matter of survival for a great race, the German race. And that makes is a MORAL issue all the way.

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    Most significantly for the long-term future, Germans are slowly dying out. During the late 19th century, Germany's birth rate was one of world's highest. In recent decades, though, it has been one of the world's lowest. The fertility rate in recent years has been about 1.4 live births per woman, which is below the replacement level.

    With deaths outnumbering births, demographers estimate that in spite of continued net immigration, Germany's total population -- now some 82 million -- will decrease in the new century. Even if the population was to remain constant, Germany's relative position in the world would continue to decline, given the higher birth rates in most other countries.

    Germany is also less "German." According to the most recent official statistics, 7.37 million foreigners and 300,000 asylum seekers live in the country, of whom more than two million are from Turkey. Foreigners now make up nine percent of the total population. These figures do not include illegal aliens, of whom there were an estimated 1.8 million in 1997.

    Foreigners tend to be concentrated in the larger cities. In Frankfurt am Main, non-Germans already make up 29 percent of the population. In Stuttgart the figure is 24 percent, and in Munich it is 23 percent. The percentage of foreigners is especially high among the youth. In Munich, for example, 34 percent of those under 18 years of age are foreigners. In the largest city, Berlin, the percentage of foreigners under 18 years old is estimated to grow to 52 percent by the year 2015.

    Writing in the semi-official weekly Das Parlament (issue 43-44, 1998), population specialist Prof. Herwig Birg of Bielefeld summed up:

    Of all the major industrial countries, Germany has become the most important land of immigration. The number of immigrants per 100,000 of population is several times higher than in the "classic" immigration countries of the United States, Canada and Australia. The German population has a high birth rate deficit, while the birth rate of foreigners [in Germany] has a high surplus. Germany can no longer choose whether it wishes to be an immigration country or not, because the birth deficit will greatly increase due to the dramatically falling numbers of women in their child-bearing years. German society finds itself in a demographically determined existential change, that is, in transition, against its will, toward an immigration society that ignores, suppresses and tabooizes its future demographic problems at the cost of the young generations.
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    German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    The number of children born in Germany last year was the lowest since the end of the second world war, the Federal Statistical Office reported yesterday. According to provisional figures, 680,000 babies were born in 2005, down from 1.36 million in 1964.

    Germany now has the lowest birth rate in Europe with 8.5 births per 1,000 inhabitants, while in Britain it is 12, France 12.7, the Netherlands 11.9 and Ireland 15.2. The figures also show falling birth rates across former communist eastern Europe and the Baltic states, including Poland (9.3), Bulgaria (9) and Latvia (8.8).

    Leading economists said unless Germans started breeding again Europe's biggest nation faced the prospect of reduced growth, economic decline and an elderly shrinking population.
    "We are reaching a critical point," Michael Hüther, the head of Cologne's economics institute, told Die Welt newspaper. "The number of births now determines what happens in the next decade-and-a-half to two decades. You can't revise it afterwards. The availability of human capital will get worse, and act as a brake on growth."

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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    Low birth rates caused mainly by feminist propagandas.

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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    To most young couples, the main obstacles to having children are the country's high jobless rates and bleak employment prospects. When times are tough, the last thing on anyone's to-do list will be reproducing. Eastern Germany and most countries in eastern Europe all suffer from depressed birth rates. The obvious solution would be to change economic and unemployment policies.

    Neighboring western Europe and Scandinavia, in contrast, boast flourishing child-care systems that don't even leave parents out of pocket. Affordable kindergartens and whole-day schooling allow working mothers and fathers to head to the office without feeling guilty, while shorter education and training periods make it possible to shimmy up that career ladder with plenty of time left to think about the best moment to start a family.

    State support for families is just as generous as it is in Germany, but it's paid in the early years -- unlike here, where it's sparingly dispensed and reduced as soon as a child is sent to kindergarten.

    So rather than watching that glacier, Germany should start watching its neighbors, where birth rates are in far better shape. But even if the country learns its lessons, the results would only become apparent in the next 30 years.

    That's the thing about glaciers -- they take their time. But they can't be ignored.
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    "Growth" for socialists, means continuous expansion of their welfare base and extreme taxation so they need millions of people, not necessarily high grade, to help them keep the machinery going. For super capitalists it means continuous expansion of their markets and investments. Every environmentalist knows that humans are depleting the earth's resources and that drinking water is becoming scarce, so scarce that some countries have already started desalinating the sea.

    The problem is not falling European birth rates so much as it is burgeoning immigrant birth rates and massively growing third world populations in so-called developing countries. During the baby boomer years populations grew out of control, fuelling super capitalism and consumerism. Houses got smaller, tower blocks appeared, trade unions became militant and the world headed for meltdown. When women gained their freedom and the contraceptive pill was invented populations could return to a manageable level in first world countries and the standard of living for many improved drastically. Women's health improved and women began to live longer more productive lives, having fewer healthier and better educated children.

    But that was before the welfare state had entrenched itself after things reached boiling point and fed thousands and eventually millions of people into the benefits system, ruining motivation among the youth and encouraging directionless, dislocated lifestyles that led to the dissolution of the nuclear family and the birth of the yuppie generation.

    Because people will not vote socialist parties out of power and have little alternative in a world dominated by political correctness, important economic changes emanating from Asia have been ignored and welfare states once dependent on large industrial power bases and masses of working class people to pay their dues are collapsing. They need people to fuel their system and are using immigrants as a plug to stop their entire socialist empire from crashing to the ground.

    Europeans have never been folk groups that lived in vast hordes of starved illiterate dependents. They stem instead from warrior bands and tribes of nomads and hunter gatherers turned farmers and merchants.

    The elite is panicking. It is desperate. It is relying on fear to motivate people to accept hordes of immigrants into artificially created multicultural societies because it refuses to make the necessary changes to a new economic establishment.

    We are living in the final days of socialism in the west. They can no longer treat the natives like scum. Those days are over. The crunch is coming. It is important to realise this and to plan new lives, new types of activity and new business moves to cope with the end of socialism and the beginning of the end of the old western empires as the new eastern empires rise up. There is no stopping them. They will overpower the situation because they have the cheap available labour. China is one huge factory. People must accept this and look to a new dawn.

    Be happy. The terrible days of industrial serfdom are at an end for Europeans and only just beginning for the east. One day they will also rise up against their masters and demand workers' rights, but at the moment they are still emerging from the carapace of communism and things will rush into a superheated economic cone.

    The west has the chance to take stock and to make other plans. It's hard to say goodbye but it must be done. The old millennium is over. A new age is being born. Embrace it. It's the cosmic age. We are going to the stars.

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