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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4793997.stm

    German births decline to new low



    Germany has seen another decline in its birth rate, which is Europe's lowest.


    Official figures show that the number of births fell by a further 2.8% last year. Meanwhile, the mortality rate rose by 1.5% compared with 2004.
    The birth rate is exceptionally low in the former East Germany, where the city of Chemnitz is thought to have the lowest birth rate in the world.
    Economists say Europe's population decline threatens to damage economic growth for decades. The data from Germany's Office for Federal Statistics show there were 686,000 births last year - half as many as in the early 1960s.



    Germany has had the lowest birth rate in Europe for some time and this trend has been confirmed.
    In 2005 it had 8.5 births per 1,000 inhabitants, compared with 12 in Britain, 12.7 in France and 15.2 in Ireland.
    The German cabinet approved proposals earlier this year for a new state allowance to encourage people to have children. Germany registered 830,000 deaths last year - an increase of 1.5% over the 2004 figure.
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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by canaria View Post
    Low birth rates caused mainly by feminist propagandas.
    Correct, and beside, can't force german women if they don't want kids.
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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    It's not only feminist propaganda that has caused such a drop in birth rates. It's no way near as simple as that.

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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    There is a solution -

    Neues Kinder-Glück bei den Schröders
    http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news...-adoption.html

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    AW: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    Today we have Kindergartens that have immigrant children only, except one or two natives. I know them first hand myself. Is so said to see, how our own people wither and Turks and Arabs are increasing. Its a vicious cycle, the immigrants are raising the unemployment rate and are destroying the welfare state. Therefore many native Germans are left in a state of insecurity and dont want to have children anymore. The best is, that our politicians keep telling us, that we need the immigrants because they will pay the pensions for us younger generation. Not only is this a lie, because if we were really decreasing, natives would get more children sooner or later. Even if they were right, at what a price are we paying just for pensions! I would give my pension gladly away, if I could stop the immigration by doing so. However, its a lie because a lack of population would let the unemployment rate go down and so the insecurity would be banished, people would start to have more children. But through the immigration and the excessive breeding of the immigrants, we dont even decrease, we dont stagnate, we even increase. I dont have to say that these people are neither native germans, nor in the most cases even of european origin. So we become a folk of Turks and Arabs, all with the blessings of the polticians and the lobbies.

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    Cloppenburg registers Germany's highest birth rate

    Here's an article I encountered describing Cloppenburg - which is south of Oldenburg - and how it manages to achieve Germany's highest birth rate.

    It says much about how important religion and tradition are in maintaining a healthy birth rate. Being able to have many children is far more than just a monetary issue:
    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06260/722225-82.stm

    Looking for ways to boost birthrate
    Germany hoping fertile Cloppenburg can serve as model

    Sunday, September 17, 2006
    By Jeffrey Fleishman, Los Angeles Times


    CLOPPENBURG, Germany -- Children are scarce in Germany, but not in this farming region of slaughterhouses and churches, where stores close before sunset and there's a baptism every weekend.

    . . .

    It is unlikely, however, that Cloppenburg's zeal for procreation can be copied. This region's rhythms and religious beliefs, its sense of community and devotion to family, run counter to an increasingly secular, egoistic Europe, some say. In many ways, Cloppenburg, a place of prams and tiny bikes, is a glimpse less of the continent's future than its past.

    "It's still accepted here that the woman stays home with the children, at least in the early years," said Markus Meckelnborg, a financial consultant with four children in the neighboring town of Emstek. "The question is, why is the trend going away from what's happening here? People are running away from church for this self-absorbed life and they end up at a shrink's office."
    Here's a link to a google-maps aerial photo of the town, if anyone wants to see where it is:
    Cloppenburg, Germany

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    Re: Cloppenburg registers Germany's highest birth rate

    Incidentally, does anyone know where to get data on fertility rates for each state in Germany? I've searched the web to no avail - but I also don't know much German, which hinders my ability to do so.

    If this is available at the municipality level, that would be even better.

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    German Men Scared to Start Families

    Study: Men in Germany Are Scared to Start Families


    Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Germany faces problems with low birth rates


    Low birth rates and the ageing population in Germany have dominated media in discussions about how to pay for health care and social security. Now, a study says it is men who are primarily responsible for fewer births.


    In its study, the Robert Bosch Foundation found that "men are scared to start families," said Ingrid Hamm, managing director of the foundation. The study says one in four men in Germany do not want children, whereas one in seven women prefer to remain childless. In Eastern Germany, that rate is lower, with one in 10 women exopressing the wish to remain childless.

    The study was based on responses from 10,017 people. Researchers say the survey was representative, even of the smallest groups in Germany.

    Men and women in Germany also differ on the number of children they would like to have. Men want only an average of 1.59 kids; the average number of children women would like is 1.75. Both of these numbers, however, are still higher than Germany's actual average birth rate of 1.37 children per woman.

    Under pressure

    Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Both men and women in Germany want more babies than the number being born

    Hamm said another reason for fewer children in Germany is that people feel too much pressure. They have long career training periods and then "have to do everything at once between the ages of 30 and 40: get married, have kids, build a house, pursue their careers and save money for retirement," she said. "All that pressure makes people put off having children until later or not at all."

    Women, too, are faced with a loss of economic control over their lives if they choose a baby break. For a well-to-do country like Germany, the economic loss is even greater, Hamm said.

    She added that, in addition, Germans lack faith in the future.

    "In Germany, we have lost a sense that everything will turn out all right. Germans are prone to worrying about the future a lot more than other people," she said.

    "German" is not just German, however. The study found that the wish to forgo having children is much stronger in the former West German states. In the new German states (formerly East Germany), fewer women want to remain childless.

    "Children in the former GDR were everywhere," Hamm said. "Mothers and fathers both worked, and East German children grew up with the image that being both parent and employee is possible."

    "Better policies could boost birth rates"

    Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: "Large families are frowned upon," Hamm said

    The survey respondents said they would appreciate politicians creating better conditions to help people start families -- such as greater financial support, improved childcare and more part-time jobs created for parents.

    Eighty-nine percent of the respondents said they would prefer flexible working hours for employed parents.

    Increased financial support from the government would help large families and less qualified people.

    On the other hand, better childcare possibilities would encourage those currently without children and aid families with only one child, as well as highly-qualified working parents and women in Eastern Germany, researchers reported.

    The study said women desiring a first child wanted the most support, but also that one-fifth of the women who did not want children could still be encouraged through better family policies.

    The study also found that families with one child or highly-educated people would most likely choose to have a first or an additional child if family-oriented policies were in place that fit their individual needs.

    Hamm said the study showed that having children is just one of many values among Germans; it is not a top priority. Parents with many children are viewed critically, while "it is completely socially acceptable to not have kids here."

    "One's status does not increase by having kids," she said.


    source : http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...071657,00.html

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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    Bad news. Germany needs more ethnically German children in order that those dirty hairy hands aka Turks and other foreigners wouldn't take over Germany. The situation in Eastern Germany is luckily promising. Eastern Germans aren't so rich, satisfied and liberal than Western Germans. Many of them are also racially conscious.

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    Re: German birth rate falls to lowest in Europe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ovid View Post
    Eastern Germans aren't so rich, satisfied and liberal than Western Germans.
    Give it time.
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