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    Post The Celtic Phenotype

    Like all we know, "Germanic" , "Celtic", "Slavic", "Latin" are only big cultural groups. Meta-Ethnicities. Everyone of them can contain whatever phenotype, but obviously some are present in major number and this makes distinguishable one from another.

    Question, which was, in your opinion, the probable phenotypical composition of these groups in the age of Roman Empire ?



    My personal guess for the Celtic group : I imagine less or more 1/3 Alpinoid 1/3 Atlantoid, 1/3 Nordoid.

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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Isn't there a distinct Iron Age Nordic(Keltic) type at least in the British Isles that resembles the statue of the "Dying Gaul" ?
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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Borreby/Alpinoid and Dinarid/Taurid clans were likely the first Celts in late West Indo-European times. Later, they came to rule over vast numbers of Nordic and other types, eventually producing the hybrid Iron Age Nordic type.

    In Roman times, the original types probably still ruled over a mix of the new hybrids and earlier pure Nordids in core areas, but things were different elsewhere. Large numbers of the new Iron Age Nordids appear to have formed clans of their own, lacking the purely IE Old Celtic types, and mostly lacking the purely Nordic type. This surely led to the end of the Celtic World, because the new type is useless on its own, like the Nordic which forms its base, and is almost as easily made subject.

    Both the Romans and Germans found this to their advantage.

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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack
    Isn't there a distinct Iron Age Nordic(Keltic) type at least in the British Isles that resembles the statue of the "Dying Gaul" ?
    There is a type in the British Isles and France which is apparently the original type of the Celts (it is also found in ancient Celtic cemeteries), however, the Dying Gaul's phenotype was probably of non-Celtic origin, but that sort of look occured among some of the Celtic peoples further towards central and eastern Europe.

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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Here is a similar thread (I have also stated on this thread my opinion of the composition of Celtic peoples):

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...pearance+celts

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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett
    Borreby/Alpinoid and Dinarid/Taurid clans were likely the first Celts in late West Indo-European times. Later, they came to rule over vast numbers of Nordic and other types, eventually producing the hybrid Iron Age Nordic type.
    Both the Romans and Germans found this to their advantage.

    Interesting theory

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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Recent studies according to the University of Valencia among the population of La Yesa, a little town sittuated 75 kilometres north from Valencia city and placed in an area where large burial celtic vases have been found; these studies have determined a special genetic caracteristic from these still living population: eye colour, hair colour, height and a special characteristic to produce fat in blood which has been called "the celtic gen", I don´t know if this information could be useful to you but there is a kind of "war" between those interested on hiding the presence of celtic culture on Spain and favour the presence of Goths. In any case I will try to find the references from the university, although they are not always easy because altough Valencia university is quite advaced on genetics comparativism is quite difficult to reach these studies due to Spanish goverment bans.In any case if you ever heard about such a stupid name as "celtibero" you should rub it and replace it for celt, there was no such mixture between iberians and celts and according to the most recent arqueological discoveries celt sites have been proved to be such south as Valencia.

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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    The first Celts were Nordid and Nordid-Cromagnid with Dinarid admixture. When they expanded they came in contact with more Dinarids, Alpinids and Mediterranid forms.
    On the long run Alpinid types increased in numbers whereas the original Celtic elite decreased, so when the Romans came to Gallia, the Celts were not the same as they were at the time of their expansion though the Nordid element was still dominant in most regions. Its not by chance Coon designated the typical Nordid "Hallstatt"...the early Celtic skulls are as the Reihengraeber or early Slavs mainly Nordid (or at least NordOid anatomically) in character.
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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    The first Celts were Nordid and Nordid-Cromagnid with Dinarid admixture. When they expanded they came in contact with more Dinarids, Alpinids and Mediterranid forms.
    On the long run Alpinid types increased in numbers whereas the original Celtic elite decreased, so when the Romans came to Gallia, the Celts were not the same as they were at the time of their expansion though the Nordid element was still dominant in most regions. Its not by chance Coon designated the typical Nordid "Hallstatt"...the early Celtic skulls are as the Reihengraeber or early Slavs mainly Nordid (or at least NordOid anatomically) in character.
    Hmm, very good Agrippa. It's less or more what i think. Celts, during their long expansion assimilated the other two big phenotypical groups : Alpinids and Meds(of the Atlantid type) , so the result was an atlantoid and Alpinoid alteration. I imagine tha celts dark haired indeed (and light eyed).

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    Post Re: Celtic Phenotype :

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    The first Celts were Nordid and Nordid-Cromagnid with Dinarid admixture. When they expanded they came in contact with more Dinarids, Alpinids and Mediterranid forms.
    On the long run Alpinid types increased in numbers whereas the original Celtic elite decreased, so when the Romans came to Gallia, the Celts were not the same as they were at the time of their expansion though the Nordid element was still dominant in most regions. Its not by chance Coon designated the typical Nordid "Hallstatt"...the early Celtic skulls are as the Reihengraeber or early Slavs mainly Nordid (or at least NordOid anatomically) in character.
    Since when have Nordids ever been elite?

    What you must mean is that semi-Dinarid Nordids were of higher status because they were taller and had larger brains than pure Nordids.

    How can Alpinids have been of lesser status than Nordids when Alpinids are the traditional peers of Dinarids in countries (Italy and Greece) where the gracile populations are both subject and servile? Are Nordids so much more robust than gracile-Meds that they fare much differently in the North?

    Only those Nordids with significant Cro-Magnoid admixture have tradionally enjoyed relatively higher status. The rest are perpetually subject or servile. Look around you.

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