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    Interesting thoughts just occured to me.

    White rap (yes, Eminem), the expansion of the (largely white) goth subculture, skinheads, punks, maybe they are an expression of the times?

    What is white rap essentially about? Social breakdown. Skinheads? Disaffection between white youth and the foreign cultural, social and political elite. Punks? Disrespect for all authority. Goths? Alienation.

    Why? Because the West, and particularly its newest generation (known by the elite as Generation Y - I personally think the Chaos Generation is a better term) no longer holds true to anything. It's created in broken homes, divorce, multicultural crime and gang warfare, disgust at modern 'culture', mindless hedonistic consumerism, and the wonders of sending jobs to the second and third world through capitalism.

    What is there to die for now? The 'West'? What's that? Ask the Neoconservatives (the only ones on the other side with any answer at all) and they'll answer with the Atlantic axis that promotes individual freedom, capitalism, and everything of that sort. But that isn't worth anything now, is it? Just look around...

    We have a heritage - Europe, the Romantacists, the Rationalists, Christianity, European identity ('Nationalism' of the sort advocated by Hitler is empty and dead), a heritage ignored, crushed and distorted by the Jewish elite. One need only look at the beauty of Gothic cathedrals, the art of Michaelangelo, to remember the legions of Europe that drove out the Turk, the Mongol and the Arab from European shores in the name of God and Fatherland to be reminded of who we are. We are the children of Mother Europe. God was once our banner. The West was once our banner. And now there's a flag being raised by a foreign elite called "freedom". Once it was our flag, advancing the interests of our Europe. Now it is the tool for the destruction of our kin in blood and spirit.

    And now we are faced with the essential fact that life in this modern 'West' is futile. 'Land of the Free and Home of the Brave' - that ideal is shattered the second a young white man realises that he lives in fear from racial gangs, the second he steps into university, looking for qualifications to get a new job, and is told that him and his kind must feel absolute shame for slavery and other happenings of the past, that he realises that if he decides to get married to a girl that smiles and looks good and says nice things in his ear that he could be left shattered with only half the property he started off with thanks to the wonderful benefits of feminism, that he is taxed in hideous amounts to support foreigners that are colonising 'his' country...

    What is left? Us. Whites. Young whites seeing a life to live but denied it because of the monstrous superstructure that imprisons and cuts him off at every turn. What's the point in being virtuous if you're just going to be looted and taken advantage of? The solution, of course, is total social revolution.

    But it's going to be more than that, when it comes. I say the values define the actions, and the actions define the politics. Hitler said he who controls the streets controls the politics. Both statements are right, and lead to the undeniable fact that the cultural elite that produce the ideals of society are the ones that influence politics in ways unseen yet undeniable. The ideals that sink in to the population are the ideals that become the slogans of war and revolution and social change.

    Behind the slogans of the Judeo-American war against Tradition across the planet - in Iraq, in the universities of the West, in the streets - lies a single word that encompasses the effects and reality of Western existance - nihilism. That nothing is of value, life is futile and no matter what happens nothing will matter.

    In this society, the Western society, that's true right now. But it doesn't have to be.

    There is an underlying idea that runs through Marxism of all varieties, though the social analysis made by Hitler in Mein Kampf, though Anarchism, Maoism, and all theories of revolution - the revolt and self-assertion of the Outsiders. The Outsiders are the section of society that cannot be assimilated because the values of that society rejects them. Punk youth are disgusted with the wars of Judeo-American Fascism, even if they don't realise it. Skinheads are filled with rage at seeing foreigners fill the streets. Goths are repulsed by the pseudo-culture of capitalism and consumerism. And increasingly large amounts of white youth are driven from the Church when the words 'freedom', 'equality', 'brotherhood' and 'humility' are spouted from the pulpit.

    The Outsiders are the cause of all social revolution. Lenin, with his 'vanguard of the proletariat', recognised this. Herbert Marcuse, in his 'One dimensional man', recognised this (he believed the white working class had been socially assimilated into capitalism, and so minorities, students and youth were the new material of the revolution - sound familiar?). Marx, with the dictatorship of the wage slaves, recognised this. Only now the Outsiders have changed.

    Blacks have always been the race of the Outsiders so long as they lived in the West. Their culture has fallen to the stage where it's built on violence and sex. Those aren't the Outsiders we are concerned with though. What we should be concerned with is that what their modern culture is conditioned by - social breakdown - is affecting our youngest generation too.

    The most extreme example of the white Outsider is this - his parents have split at a young age. One or more of his friends have died from drug addictions. He is pinned down in gang warfare fighting off foreigners who are colonising his local community. His school teachers scream that all men are created equal and that he is evil because a handful of his people a few hundred years ago enslaved some blacks or fought for the advancement of Europe to the detriment of non-Europeans. He cannot get a decent job, despite his Government funded education, because they're all going overseas. He is lost, filled with pain, disgust for authority, he won't turn to God because God as he thinks of Him won't save anyone ,and he won't escape somewhere safe and get married because, through the example of his parents, he's aware that he could be divorced and looted and have his kids taken from him by the authorities. He is aged somewhere between sixteen and twenty five. What is he to do?

    Usually this most extreme example of the white Outsider is limited to less than 1% of the entire white population. Only now, the Outsiders are expanding in numbers, and this creates a condition of dangerous potential for society as it stands.

    Perhaps Oswald Spengler was right. The Death of the West is at hand. And in all possibility, it could happen. The West could be crushed. This does not mean the White Race might be crushed - it could, but in Europe only half of that continent suffers race-related problems. The other half, while disintegrating, could pour in as crude reinforcements if Western Europe faces a particularly difficult task in driving out its non-European racial foreigners. One thing is certain - the cultural, political and social elite that created this situation are going to meet the sharp end of the guillotine. The White race will not tolerate them post-revolution simply because they caused its nessecity. The foreigners are going to annihilate them on the simple grounds that they look like us.

    The question remains: If Oswald Spengler was correct, and the West is about to die, what will be the name of the Culture-Civilization that will follow it, based on white blood? Rome fell yet the white race went on to create the West. Perhaps the West will fall too, and like the barbarians did to Rome, the post-Western civilization will inherit the West's achievements yet not go by the same name in character. It is quite possible that there will be a violent, unconcious ressurection of Tradition by the Chaos Generation simply to make sure the pain it has endured will not have to be felt by another generation of whites again. After all this, there are no grounds to presume it will respect 'freedom', 'equality', 'feminism', 'multiculturalism', internationalism or the slogans of transnational progressivism. And the scars that are about to be borne by the collective unconscious of the white race are not likely to fade, even after a thousand years. I believe the idea of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are to be replaced by white life, white power and the pursuit of white excellence.

    We have less than twenty five years to find out.

    "Only a god can save us now..."
    - Martin Heidegger.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Once again a piece of exceptional writing, Anarch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Aurelius
    Once again a piece of exceptional writing, Anarch.
    Yes, that was a very good piece.
    Truthful and straight to the point.

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    The problem is a 'free' society. A society in which, people have no direction, they just coast around but don't have a goal at hand, no unity or disire.
    Man is divided into two groups: leaders and followers. We can only have so many leaders, and most people are followers. But in a 'free' society, the followers have become the leaders and you have chaos. If you have millions of people with no unity, or goal - they is only chaos, and degeneration. Now, freedom means an escape from consequence or back-lash. True freedoms are natural, and we have had them since the beginning of time. We are all truely free to do anything we want. Though not free from consequences. A society that cries and cries for 'freedom', misses this truth. The fact is that most people WANT to be led for a goal. This is most clearly deminstated in Communist Russia, China, N.Korea, Cuba, National Socialist Germany, and to a lesser extent Norway's Nasjonal Samling, and the NDH(etc.). We need to be led.

    Good post, Anarch - though I find your name ironic, considering the topic.
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    Absolutely.
    If I hear Tony Blair or George Dubya Bush harp on about "Freedom" one more time, I'll fly a plane right into their head!
    What Freedom are they talking about?

    The Freedom to do as one pleases?
    That would mean a country without laws, which would result in chaos, and as they are tightening up laws all over the place and turning the their countries into police states, that obviously isn't what they mean by "Freedom"

    Is it then the Freedom to live in a country governed according to the will of the people?
    It can't be because the US / UK don't have any qualms about invading people's countries when it suits them. Not just in Iraq but they have invaded and instigated coups against elected governments as well.
    So much from Democracy and "Freedom"

    So what is this Freedom?
    It can only be the Freedom to be a wage slave. The freedom to be a consumer. The freedom to be a purchaser of Coca-Cola and McDonalds.
    The freedom to be "dumbed down", to buy what you don't want or need, to run up debts on your credit cards, to live the "American way".

    If this is "freedom", then I will pass on it, thanks.

    If you look at French currency it has that dreadful old phrase on it -
    "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity"
    It dates back to the French Revolution and is Masonic in origin.
    It's Liberalism at it's most glaringly obvious.

    Liberty - That same Liberty I mentioned above. No thanks.

    Equality - Men are not born Equal. The very idea is absurd. Are we all equally intelligent? Are we all equally good at the same things? Of course not. To use an analogy, society is like the human body.
    You might consider the foot to be less noble than the head. But they are all equally neccesary. You wouldn't say - "My feet are as capable as my hands, therefore I will manipulate objects with my feet from now on" or try to walk around on your hands. The body works because everything knows it's place and function, and all thrive as a result.
    Society is the same. To claim all men are equal is to argue against reality.

    Fraternity - Well, as it's obviously the "Brotherhood of Man" ie Freemasonry, I'll give that a major body-swerve as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    The question remains: If Oswald Spengler was correct, and the West is about to die, what will be the name of the Culture-Civilization that will follow it, based on white blood? Rome fell yet the white race went on to create the West. Perhaps the West will fall too, and like the barbarians did to Rome, the post-Western civilization will inherit the West's achievements yet not go by the same name in character. It is quite possible that there will be a violent, unconcious ressurection of Tradition by the Chaos Generation simply to make sure the pain it has endured will not have to be felt by another generation of whites again. After all this, there are no grounds to presume it will respect 'freedom', 'equality', 'feminism', 'multiculturalism', internationalism or the slogans of transnational progressivism. And the scars that are about to be borne by the collective unconscious of the white race are not likely to fade, even after a thousand years. I believe the idea of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness are to be replaced by white life, white power and the pursuit of white excellence.
    Yes. An excellent post, Anarch. The only way to save the true West, the Abendland, is that what we see here everywhere today and regard as "the West", will collapse totally. The West must decline to be saved and reborn.
    The reality of today's West with its "values", its mentality and with all aspects of politics, society and life must go into the fire and burn down, and out of the flames new, shining steel must be forged.

    I want a Europe that still procedes and always reaches higher levels of technic and society - that's a true expression of our racial spirit. But we must become archaic - if you want: "Barbarian" - again in our whole mentality, thinking and acting. This society is deeply decadent. The Whites are the only ones on this planet who deny their roots, who deny nature itself. That must change: Volk, Gemeinschaft, Blut, Boden, Rasse, Ahnen, Erbe. The only way to safe our culture will be the reawakening of our deep roots of which this high culture of the West depends.
    Autobahns, rockets, High Tech cities, satellites? - Yes please, we need more of that all, and development must go on and on. But the only way we will not decline and fall in such a new world, is that we become again Barbarians of blood and soil. The future must be archaic.
    Man ſei Held oder Heiliger. In der Mitte liegt nicht die Weisheit, ſondern die Alltäglichkeit.

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    Are you saying that we should encourage the break-down of the west through a growth of this sick culture - therein to be destoryed somehow and to be reborn in a raw, veraltetes 'Abendland'?

    I am not sure I could encourage this culture - even if the end result is good. It is almost like you agree with my later post on a natural disaster.

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    I spoke of "Abendland" (Occident) as that what the true European culture is, because "West" in German often is used just as a word to describe if a country is "modern" in some aspects of its society and constitution. If someone loves Nato and EU and "modern" American lifestyle, he's called to be in his views "westlich". Japan perhaps can be called such a country of "Western" civilization, but it's definitive not a country of the culture of the Abendland. "Abendland" isn't here used as a word of an old-fashioned worls of our grand-parents, but of Our today Western society and "culture" is a denial of the true values of the Abendland. Abendland are the true, eternal values of the White, Western world, Abendland is its roots.

    We are already in a phase where things are quite worse, and it would be dangerous for our chance of survival, if more Coloureds would flood in and if our "liberal", "modern" society in its "mentality" would become even more self-denying and masochistic. But it indeed needs still some more pushes that this society starts slipping and that there will really be a "landslide" of everything.
    We needn't encourage this sick society because crisis of economy and society will arise in the next years by itself. As Anarch has pointed out brilliant, things start to break off and sever by themselves. What we have to do is to work and to think of a positive alternative. And then we'll have to work and act positive for our great goals. We'll have to be ready.
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    Thorburnulf is correct. The West MUST die. It is nessecity that event occurs for the white race to survive. The Occident must live. The current social and cultural symptoms displayed by the West will be its own undoing. It is not nessecary that we encourage the decadent culture, it will destroy the West itself and this is an entirely positive thing. We must move beyond pathetic vertical nationalisms and create a genuine counter-Culture (in the Spenglerian sense) that will take hold over the remains when the grand spectacle collapses. We have a few years. Until then we have a LOT of work to do in the Cultural-Spiritual-Ethical-Political area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    Thorburnulf is correct. The West MUST die. It is nessecity that event occurs for the white race to survive. The Occident must live. The current social and cultural symptoms displayed by the West will be its own undoing. It is not nessecary that we encourage the decadent culture, it will destroy the West itself and this is an entirely positive thing. We must move beyond pathetic vertical nationalisms and create a genuine counter-Culture (in the Spenglerian sense) that will take hold over the remains when the grand spectacle collapses. We have a few years. Until then we have a LOT of work to do in the Cultural-Spiritual-Ethical-Political area.
    I fully agree. WN organisations that claim to 'defend Western culture' are, IMO, completely missing the essential problem. We are living in a thoroughly decadent society; a civilization that would have already collapsed, if it weren't for the mass indoctrination by the television, the consumption of mind-changing pills (Prozac, Ritalin, etc), and the prison system, which is larger than any punishment system our world has ever seen before. They will only delay the eventual collapse though.
    But when that day comes, we will have to be ready; for if we cannot provide an alternative, the herd will simply march into another Culture that might be just as destructive to our race.

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