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  • Sweden

    261 28.22%
  • Norway

    79 8.54%
  • Finland

    404 43.68%
  • Iceland

    55 5.95%
  • Denmark

    34 3.68%
  • Germany

    36 3.89%
  • England

    28 3.03%
  • Holland

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    Whose blonde (how dark hair person can still be calculated as one kind of (dark?) blonde)?

    Are we only comparing ethnic Swedish vs ethnic Finns or all people who lives in those countries and have their citizenships?

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    Finland. Not sure whom they're followed by, though. Sweden? Norway? Estonia?

    Something tells me Estonians are also very blonde, but the ethnic Russian drive their blonde percentage down (though a blonde Russian isn't 'rare', still less common than a blonde Estonian)

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    The equally interesting questions are where blond hair originated and how it spread to the places where it is now most frequent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    The equally interesting questions are where blond hair originated and how it spread to the places where it is now most frequent.
    Yup.

    Anyway ... I don't fully byte the idea that Finns would have gotten it fully from Scandinavians.There are blonde Finno-Ugric populations in Russia too (for example Vepsians) ... who has not been contacted/mixed with Scandinavians like Finns.

    Is it absolutely sure today that older Northern European I1 people did't carry blondism at all? So only R1 men? If that is true then N1C1 men have needed to get it someway .... and much less but still ... Russians arctic populations western side of Ural mountains. If Finno-Ugrics have gotten that from slavics (Russians who migrate to area of Russia) ... it feels weird that today some Finno Ugrics carries that more than ethnic Russians.

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    Lets add this here ... looks like that the oldest founded blond hair human (so far) has been Finno-Ugric in Russia.

    See case: Afontova Gora 3
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afontova_Gora

    ''Phenotypic analysis shows that Afontova Gora 3 carries the derived rs12821256 allele associated with blond hair color in Europeans, making Afontova Gora 3 the earliest individual known to carry this derived allele''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    The equally interesting questions are where blond hair originated and how it spread to the places where it is now most frequent.
    Without having much expertise the subject, I don't think blond hair "originated" in one place or in one time in history. Unlike eye color, which has a very distinctive line and bears a very strict heritable pattern, hair color is much more fluid and can show up differently "out of nowhere", heritably speaking.

    And if Aboriginals and Polynesians can be naturally blonde, I think different European populations could have separately evolved to exhibit blondism.
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    https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/...000-years-ago/

    "An alternative theory presented by Canadian anthropologist Peter Frost provides a less complex origin for variations in hair color. According to Frost, the evolution of blond hair was not a gradual process of genetic mutation: rather, it was a sudden occurrence, caused by another aspect of evolution known as 'sexual selection.' Frost explains that at the end of the last Ice Age, there was an environment of fierce competition among the females of the northern European regions for suitable male partners, as males were comparatively scarce during that time. The blond hair and blue eyes made these women stand out and made sexual selection easier for them. Thus, blond hair and blue eyes meant a healthy partner, ensuring the survival of these genes over many generations.
    Currently, there is no accepted theory regarding the true origins of blond hair. However, there seems to be a consensus among researchers that the evolution of blond hair did take place more than once; this hypothesis carries much credibility among scientists worldwide."

    So, according to that, a lower number of men were choosing blonde women as partners and so the blond gene(s) proliferated. But how exactly did males become scarce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelfgar View Post
    ''The blond hair and blue eyes made these women stand out and made sexual selection easier for them. Thus, blond hair and blue eyes meant a healthy partner, ensuring the survival of these genes over many generations.''
    LOL. Looks like Mother Nature (here meaning men ... subconsciously) have ''known'' better .... as the estrogen levels are often higher with blonde women.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...men-attractive

    " . . . Sexual selection would certainly have been a powerful driving force behind evolution in northern Europeans. Late Palaeolithic females in southern Europe and Africa could forage for food and feed themselves and their infants, with males occasionally supplementing their diet with meat. In northern Europe, however, where ice covered much of the terrain, people were dependent on meat. Bands of men went in search of herds of prehistoric bison or mammoth. These hunting trips were dangerous, resulting in many fatalities.

    It has been suggested that as a result this was a time of intense sexual rivalry between females due to their numbers exceeding those of males. At any given time far more fertile women than men were left unmated, so females had to compete for mates and for a favourable share of meat. The theory is that when given the choice, Pelaeolithic males chose blondes, who stood out from their rivals.

    . . . There are higher numbers of females born blonde than males and retention of blonde hair into adulthood is a sexually selected indicator of fitness in females. Caucasian blondes are usually slightly higher in oestrogen than brunettes and are likely to exhibit other infantile sexually selected traits (indicating low levels of testosterone) that are considered desirable by males, for example finer facial features, smaller nose, smaller jaw, pointed chin, narrow shoulders, smooth skin and less body hair, and infantile behaviour such as higher energy levels and playfulness."

    So it seems the best basic explanation as to why blonds are more frequent in Fenno-Scandinavia is that food was harder to obtain than in the British Isles and Germany, with fewer men surviving there. But later migrations must have had an effect as well. Though I think actual Viking influence is over-estimated by hobbyists.

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