View Poll Results: How was the Dinaric Sub-race derived in your opinion?

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  • Stabilized Alpine-Mediterranean Blend

    43 30.50%
  • A "sister race" of the Armenoid/Near-Eastern type

    56 39.72%
  • Other (please state)

    42 29.79%
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Thread: How Was the Dinaric Sub-Race Derived ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Tiger
    Probably the Dinarids are the less distinct type category inside the Lundman's "Taurid" group, cause its European component (for ex. the hypotetical Nordic element like gracializing agent).
    Youre right, Dinarids are less Taurid than Armenids and the Mtebids represent a third Taurid type found in the Caucasus mountains that are less distinct than Armenids too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Dinarids are less distinct than the Armenids but they have a phenotype influenced by Neolithic immigrants.

    If someone claims that Neolithic settlers or Mediterranean component is also one of ancestral type of Dinarid,
    aren't we to expect larger influence of Neolithic markers on Croatian population
    of Herzegovina and Dalmatian hinterland , where Dinaric race is predominant,
    and where Neolithic markers are almost absent displaying frequency of only 9% of E3b1 Y-chromosome lineage.

    The rest being I1b* 71% ("Dinaric modal haplotype") , R1a ~14% and R1b ~3%.
    Last edited by White Falcon; Friday, July 8th, 2005 at 01:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Falcon


    If someone claims that Neolithic settlers or Mediterranean component is also one of ancestral type of Dinarid,
    aren't we to expect larger influence of Neolithic markers on Croatian population
    of Herzegovina and Dalmatian hinterland , where Dinaric race is predominant,
    and where Neolithic markers are almost absent displaying frequency of only 9% of E3b1 Y-chromosome lineage.

    The rest being I1b* 71% ("Dinaric modal haplotype") , R1a ~14% and R1b ~3%.
    According to Cavalli-Sforza, who did a dendrogram of genetic distances between populations, Yugoslavia is only slightly closer to the majority of Europeans than to West Asians. This can be interpreted as decreasing admixture from Neolithic farmers moving into Europe.

    But because only certtain loci affect the racial features racial typology uses below the major race or subspecies of man, and are subject to local conditions, local race cant be predicted precisely by looking at parental lineages or even the genetic distances between populations.

    There are UP types in the Balkans as far south as Greece, so I imagine it depends which populations are being sampled. The farmers wouuld have preferred the best land in the lowlands, and the more mountainous regions would be left to hunter-gatherers, who later adopted pastoralism.

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    I don't dubt of genetic researches or other, but honestly, 4 years ago i went in slovenia and Austria and i noted that the two pop. being almost equal. Perhaps the same would be between Austria and north-croatia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zrinski
    The "man" in the pic is typical Dinaric with some posibble minor admixture.
    I actually don't see much Dinaric in him. He has a clearly Atlanto-Mediterranean influence though; this can be seen in the small, dark eyes, the facial form, fairly low orbits and thin, bony (but not prominent) nose

    Everyone who voted for "sister armenoid/near eastern" is plain and simple ignorrant. Dinarids and Armenoids have nothing in common...nothing at all.
    Yes, I've always found little similarity between the two. Certainly there are points of similarity, but I don't think they're very significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic Tiger
    Many imagine dinarics as dark as mediterraneans, but probably this is wrong.
    Thats one of the main problems as well. The thing is that Dinarids are not very dark in pigmentation as people think....they are in fact lighter than other Meds not to mention Armenoids who are by far darker in pigmentation.

    @Celtic Tiger - you are right. There is no difference between for example Slovenia, Austria and Northern Croatia. IN fact also Istria and northern Adriatic area is also virtually indistinguishable. The only one by far Dianroid/Med is Dalmatia(with Dalmatian islands and hinterland) and also Lika, Krbava and Herzegovina(in Bosnia-Herzegovina).

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Essentially I would say they were proto-Armenid immigrants together with some Natufids, migrating northwards as farmers with West Asian crops and assimilating Mesolithic populations.
    What is a Mtebid and Natufid? How they look like? Some of these classifications are funny.

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    My opinion is: dinaric is dinaric, and nothing more. They're not a mixing of alpine with med, but a distinct type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fms panzerfaust
    My opinion is: dinaric is dinaric, and nothing more. They're not a mixing of alpine with med, but a distinct type.
    Maybe. There are many theories, afterall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zrinski
    Thats one of the main problems as well. The thing is that Dinarids are not very dark in pigmentation as people think....they are in fact lighter than other Meds not to mention Armenoids who are by far darker in pigmentation.
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    C. Coon found 70% of light and mixed eyes in Croatia, and a blondism rate of 20-25% in Slovenia

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