View Poll Results: How was the Dinaric Sub-race derived in your opinion?

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  • Stabilized Alpine-Mediterranean Blend

    43 30.50%
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    56 39.72%
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Thread: How Was the Dinaric Sub-Race Derived ?

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    Post Re: Dinarids

    Siegfried,
    I see where you are coming from. It boils down to personal opinion though because there are anthropologist who hold different views on the topic.

    Here are some more plates from Coon's book.

    Dinaric


    Armenoid

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    Post Re: Dinarids

    Genetic closeness of Caucasus, Turkey, parts of Balkan and Italy is already common knowledge. Moreover the uniting element is not proper Caucasoid source but (Neolithic or rather Bronze Age) Orientalid - “Semitic” element.
    Taking it into consideration anthropologic types: dinarics, litorids, armenoids and yes orientalids must be related.
    Well indeed armenoidal element as is not best contemporary anthropologic name as Armenia/Caucasus were only transit areas of migrations from Near East and probable place of primary brachycephalization.

    http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.p...chmentid=11733

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    Post Re: Dinarids

    The definition of Armenid I have read is that it is a reduced Dinarid. Norda, I disagree. The original Orientalids were strongly dolichocephalic. The most likely source of brachycephalization would be Alpinoids.

    I am also of the opinion that there must have been a population of Upper Paleolithic survivors that was absorbed by/or perhaps evolved into what is called Dinarid. Dinarids as a whole are alot taller than their neighbors, especially in Monte Negro. Norda, do you mean that the brachycephaly is from a Mongoloid influence?






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    Post Re: Dinarids

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    I am also of the opinion that there must have been a population of Upper Paleolithic survivors that was absorbed by/or perhaps evolved into what is called Dinarid. Dinarids as a whole are alot taller than their neighbors, especially in Montenegro.
    It's also possible that Borreby or Borreby-like type is the root race of Dinarids.Frans and volksdeutscher would know more about that though



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    Post Re: Dinarids

    I will have to agree with you on that!






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    Post Re: Dinarids

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    The definition of Armenid I have read is that it is a reduced Dinarid. Norda, I disagree. The original Orientalids were strongly dolichocephalic. The most likely source of brachycephalization would be Alpinoids.

    I am also of the opinion that there must have been a population of Upper Paleolithic survivors that was absorbed by/or perhaps evolved into what is called Dinarid. Dinarids as a whole are alot taller than their neighbors, especially in Monte Negro. Norda, do you mean that the brachycephaly is from a Mongoloid influence?
    You should remember that CI and also other anthropologic traits are not so stable as people think. They are also not very helpful comparing to contemporary genetics, especially taking into consideration hundreds and thousands of years.
    According to Debec (1948 tab 68-70) Bronze Age Caucasus (sculls of Armenia, Azerbejdzan and Georgia) were dolichocephalic and predominately orientalid (up to 53% -Wanke 1958). No doubt that this inhabitants left clear genetic influence in this region. “Mongoloic” or East Asian genetic influence in Europe is rather very limited so earlier anthropologic theories considering presence of such influx should be rather refused. There are other probable sources of Caucasus brachycephalization- Iranians and on the north of Caucasus steppe Sarmatians.

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    Post Question About Dinarics

    are dinarids a subrace of alpinid or a mix of alpinid and/or nordids?

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    Post Re: question about dinarics

    They are independent of both.






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    Post Re: question about dinarics

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
    They are independent of both.
    I agree; although if I remember rightly some claim they are a mixture of Alpines and Atlanto-Meds.

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    Post Re: Dinarics

    I personally, don't think that DINARIC type is a mix between Alpinid + Med. Is totally wrong. Many phisycal components don't coincide at all


    The truth is more complicated. Probably a fusion between two ancient type : the Borreby, from central Europe like brachycephalizing factor and the big Atlanto-Med like leptosomic component. This could explain several things : The big height the robustness the flattened occipiut etc.

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