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    Post Racial identity & Nationalism - Left or Right Politics?

    In another forum (PYL), discussion arose regarding whether Nationalists are "left" or "right".

    I put forward the view that our politics are neither right nor left, but Nationalist.

    Rather than using the traditional right-left line method, one person noted that "Modern political textbooks usually go on the cross method. It is much better at pinpointing where on a particular field the views of a certain person or group fall."

    A good example of this can be found at:
    The Political Compass
    http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...stionnaire.php

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    Post Re: Racial identity & Nationalism - left or right politics?

    Many journalists (and many of the so-called "left") will often describe us as "right wing", some through ignorance, some through deliberate ideological tactics of propaganda.

    I would not describe us as "right wing", nor would I say that we are "left wing".

    We are neither right nor left, but Nationalist
    I say this not as a slogan or as posturing, but because it is the truth.
    Real life is more complicated than political textbooks.

    Being in favour of patriotic policies, and for a European Australia, does not make us "right wing".

    I, for one, support various items that are classified as "socialist":
    a) govt. pensions: old age pensions, single parent pensions, unemployment benefits, sickness benefits
    b) public ownership of utilities: water, gas, electricity, phone
    c) govt./cooperative farming boards: Egg board, Wool board, Milk, etc.
    d) unions

    Now, I know that, in Australia, some of these latter items are gone, or going, but I still support the concepts.

    I support free enterprise, but not "all-out capitalism".

    All-out Socialist countries have shown socialism to be unworkable, often undermining incentives for citizens to be productive.

    All-out Capitalist countries have shown Capitalist to be unfeeling towards the welfare of citizens, especially the poor and battlers.

    Communist and fascist countries, being totalitarian, are b*st*rds of a place to be in. Living under a government who act aginst their own people, who use the secret police against anti-government activists, having no right to freedom of speech, being thrown out of work because you voice an anti-Establishment opinion = really bad [oops, did I just describe living in Australia under a Multiculturist regime?]

    I have met some Nationalists who are economic conservatives and some Nationalists who are economic socialists.
    Their main motivation is not money/economics, but people (protecting their people from genocide)

    Our politics are neither right nor left, but Nationalist!!!

    Whatever is best for the country, that's what I am for.

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    Post Re: Racial identity & Nationalism - left or right politics?

    When I filled out the questionnaire at http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...stionnaire.php, my results were:

    1 step above the line on the authoritarian-libertarian axis (which puts me below [i.e. more libertarian than] Tony Blair, Jacques Chirac, John Howard, & Pope Benedict 16th; way below George W. Bush, Ariel Sharon, Robert Mugabe, & Saddam Hussein).

    3 steps to the left on the left-right axis (which puts me to the left of all the above people, except for Mugabe & Hussein)

    I found the results interesting (though not necessarily surprising).

    As I've previously mentioned, I have met some Nationalists who are economic conservatives and some Nationalists who are economic socialists, although possibly more of those who are economically regarded as "left" rather than "right".

    To me, this strengthens my belief that our politics are neither right nor left, but Nationalist.

    Anyone care to comment?
    What are your thoughts?

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    Post Re: Racial identity & Nationalism - left or right politics?

    Great thread, Furius. I agree with you, Nationalism is, ideally, beyond Left and Right. A good Nationalist ideology tries to create a synthesis between the love for personal freedom of our people, and the natural solidarity we have for our kin. This can either take the shape of the mixed economy (rather similar to early Swedish Social Democracy), or more novel forms like National Syndicalism and Corporatism.

    In Sweden at least we have an amount of more Social Darwinist "Nationalists" also, but how one can be a Nationalist and at the same time don't care when our own kin lives on the streets or our own children grow up in poverty, is beyond me.

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    Post Re: Racial identity & Nationalism - left or right politics?

    Yes ; what many have defined "extreme right", is in reality something of not exactly classifiable by usual political standards . Since its rising, nationalist ideology (in its various forms, like National Socialism, Fascism, etc.) was misinterpreted by the major part of observers of any kind : often, the people try to semplify the reality around them in an understandable way, and the consequences are that complex political meanings are reduced in a poor and miserable formula. This is what i dislike most.

    Nationalist ideology, was never understood by the majority, and neither by many intellectuals. To be beyond to the conventional "Left-Right" opposition was to difficult to accept i think, so the movment was simply labelled like "an extreme form of right-winged politic". What shame..............On the other hand the enemies (communists, socialists etc.) were fast to considerate Nationalists an enemy,(insted like potential allies. Here i think that Left-winged forces, lost a great chance to change the world : an alliance between Nationalist and Socialists would had been very powerfull in theory) and labelized them too like an anonimous right-wing movment, without any perception of the great value of the phenomenon. National-Socialist ideology is an example of the good potential of the "new wave"

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    Post Re: Racial identity & Nationalism - left or right politics?

    Those of the Seedline Identity genre would probably identify themselves as "extreme right" as they don't believe in any form of reliance on govt. as not stated in the bible (OT and NT); though they would rather be called something other than that category. As well as others might not want any centralization of power at all, or very little which is my persuasion; the reason being in a nutshell: you deal with people who you know and will see face to face (in law, trade/commerce, social order, law, etc.) and not people you will never meet as they are likely to pull a fast one for gain as consequences are close to nil for them because of far location and not in my community/tribe. Simplistic as that is.

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