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    Post "Global Warming affects Africa the most" say environmentalists

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    According to environmentalists, the continent of Africa puts out the least greenhouse gases and yet suffers the most from global warming-related extreme weather patterns.

    Sounds to me like Mother Nature is simply trying to heal a festering sore by ridding herself of the infection.

    One thing that irritates me about articles like this: They refer to Africa and places like it as "developing countries," yet supposedly "all life originated in Africa," so then, if everyone else has developed vastly, why are these guys still chucking spears at one another and building houses out of goat shit? Every advance, every benefit, every amenity their countries have originates with white western culture.

    It's like forcing a dying dog to stay alive when it's physically incapable of doing so under its own steam, all it's doing is prolonging the suffering, wasting valuable resources that could be put to better use elsewhere, and reinforcing the mentality of "it's ok if our country turns to shit, those dumb whities will come along and give us billions of dollars."
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    Post Re: "Global Warming affects Africa the most" say environmentalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenris
    Every advance, every benefit, every amenity their countries have originates with white western culture.
    False. The western world was born underneath the Catholic Church at the beginning of the last millenium. Ancient Egypt was not related to the West at all, nor was the Muslim world, both of which assisted in the pathetic advance of Africa
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    Post Re: "Global Warming affects Africa the most" say environmentalists

    And guess which countries are taking in the Africans by the thousands....

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    Post Re: "Global Warming affects Africa the most" say environmentalists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    False. The western world was born underneath the Catholic Church at the beginning of the last millenium. Ancient Egypt was not related to the West at all, nor was the Muslim world, both of which assisted in the pathetic advance of Africa

    you just had to go and burst my bubble didn't you
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    Post Re: "Global Warming affects Africa the most" say environmentalists

    I have a wonderful sadistic streak in me. Sorry about that
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    Post Re: "Global Warming affects Africa the most" say environmentalists

    Me too, I can appreciate a good sadistic moment
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    Greenpeace co-founder praises global warming

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    Greenpeace co-founder praises global warming

    By Sean Hao
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    Genetically engineered sugarcane grows in a culture at the Hawaii Agriculture Research Center in 'Aiea. Hawai'i is one of the top U.S. sites for genetically modified crop research, attracting much debate.

    Global warming and nuclear energy are good and the way to save forests is to use more wood.

    That was the message delivered to a biotechnology industry gathering yesterday in Waikiki. However, it wasn't the message that was unconventional, but the messenger — Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore. Moore said he broke with Greenpeace in the 1980s over the rise of what he called "environmental extremism," or stands by environmental groups against issues such as genetic crop research, genetically modified foods and nuclear energy that aren't supported by science or logic.

    Hawai'i, which is one of the top locations nationwide for genetically modified crop research, has become a focal point in the debate about the risks and value of such work. Friction between environmentalists and other concerned groups and the biotech industry surfaced most recently in relation to the use of local crops to grow industrial and pharmaceutical compounds. Last year that opposition halted a Big Island project planning to use algae for trial production of pharmaceutical drugs.

    Zero-tolerance standards against such research by environmental groups delay developments that could help those with unmet basic needs, Moore said. Instead Moore called for compromise rather than confrontation on the part of the environmentalists.

    "There's no getting away from the fact that over 6 billion people wake up each day on this planet with real needs for food, energy and materials," he told those attending a luncheon at a three-day Pacific Rim Summit on Industrial Biotechnology and Bioenergy.

    The event was sponsored by the Biotechnology Industry Organization. Sponsors included Dupont, Carghill and the state Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism, which spent $15,000 to support the conference.

    In direct opposition to common environmentalist positions, Moore contended that global warming and the melting of glaciers is positive because it creates more arable land and the use of forest products drives up demand for wood and spurs the planting of more trees. He added that any realistic plan to reduce reliance on fossil fuels and the emission of so-called greenhouse gases should include increased use of nuclear energy.

    Among the 300 or so members in the audience yesterday was Henry Curtis, executive director for environmental group Life of the Land. Curtis said he found Moore's comments "interesting."

    "He's obviously thought about things," Curtis said. "But I don't buy a lot of his arguments.

    "I think the movement dealing with (genetically modified organisms) is very wide. You can't just say everybody that's against it is against it for this reason and they're totally against it.

    "Part of what we're doing in the environmental movement is safeguarding the downsides," Curtis added. "We don't want to see a downside that we don't anticipate overwhelming the system."

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    Ice Age Gives Clues to Global Warming

    Ice Age evidence confirms that a doubling of greenhouse gases could drive up world temperatures by about 3 Celsius (5.4 Fahrenheit), causing havoc with the climate, a study showed on Friday.

    The researchers made a novel check of computer climate forecasts about the modern impact of heat-trapping gases, widely blamed on use of fossil fuels, against ice cores and marine sediments from the last Ice Age which ended 10,000 years ago.

    "A doubling of carbon dioxide concentrations would cause a global temperature increase of around 3 Celsius," said Thomas Schneider of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research who led the report.

    The findings broadly back up other Potsdam forecasts about the effects of a build-up of carbon dioxide emitted by power plants, cars and factories. Some skeptics dismiss such models as exaggerations.

    Temperatures have already risen by 0.6 Celsius since before the Industrial Revolution in the 18th century. Many scientists project that higher temperatures will cause more heatwaves, droughts, floods and rising sea levels.

    Greenhouse gas concentrations are likely to double from pre-Industrial levels this century unless the world drastically cuts energy use and shifts to clean wind or solar power.

    The Potsdam scientists worked out 1,000 climate model versions, each with different assumptions of the behavior of clouds, ocean currents and other factors.

    They then checked the likelihood of the scenarios against climate shifts at the end of the Ice Age -- carbon dioxide trapped in air bubbles in ice and the chemical makeup of marine sediments which gives clues to temperatures.

    Schneider said the study, published in the journal Climate Dynamics, indicated that the outer ranges of likely temperature rises were 1.2-4.3 Celsius if carbon dioxide levels doubled.

    Still, he said the study meant temperatures were unlikely to rise by six or seven degrees, as some studies had suggested.

    The European Union wants to limit any rise in temperatures linked to global warming to 2 Celsius -- a threshold it sees as triggering "dangerous" climate change.

    Carbon dioxide levels were far lower at the end of the last Ice Age than in the 18th century. Today, concentrations are at their highest level for at least 650,000 years.

    The scientific panel that advises the United Nations has forecast that world temperatures could rise by 1.4-5.8 Celsius by 2100. The Potsdam survey merely projects the impact of a doubling of carbon dioxide, without giving any dates.



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    Climate, Global Warming & World Taxation

    A few days ago, Sir Nicholas Stern presented his report to Senior Government Ministers on the implications for this country - and for the rest of the world - of "Global Warming". A long list of terrible predictions arising from this " man made phenomenon" was presented, together with arguments for wide and increasing general taxation in order to deal with these consequences.

    It is clear that , apart from specific technical and environmental works within the country, much of the money would be allocated to industrial works in the third world "to assist them" in upgrading their own industrial base in order to reduce their increasing CO2 emissions.

    So what do we think about this general taxation of the north to assist the south - given that India and China are most obviously making significant industrial advances already? Is the justification for taxing the north convincing.....or are there perhaps other reasons for our current governments to be considering increasing general taxation?
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    Re: Climate, Global Warming & World Taxation

    The planet has went through warm and cold periods before. They weren't a result of human activity then and I'm not sure they are now.

    But then, I think we should move beyond fossil fuels because we can.
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