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    Re: Bogomilism and the English

    It is hard to say though whether these allegations were the result of accidental contacts with continental Luciferians or came from the official Church which sought to discredit the Lollards by presenting them as having a greater affinity for Lucifer than for God.
    I'd say so. The Lollards were Wycliffe's followers and certainly he believed nothing of the sort. The Roman Church has a history of defaming those who questioned its dogmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch View Post
    I'd say so. The Lollards were Wycliffe's followers and certainly he believed nothing of the sort. The Roman Church has a history of defaming those who questioned its dogmas.
    I think the Lollards were very puritanical in their outlook, and they opposed the Catholic practices of pilgrimages, the veneration of of images, and the Holy Mass. Church bells were described by one Lollardist as the 'antichrist's horns.' Anticlericalism was also very strong amongst the Lollards, and the sacraments of baptism and marriage were rejected. The Lollards attacked Catholic parishioners for such (innocuous) activities such as singing, dancing and drinking ale. Eventually the heresy of sola scriptura (if any Protestants read this, please don't see this as a personal attack) became the norm with the Lollards.
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    Am I right in saying that you've been looking into Catharism a bit just lately, Alice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaxonPagan View Post
    Am I right in saying that you've been looking into Catharism a bit just lately, Alice?
    I enjoy reading about medieval heresies and heretics, yes!
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    You'll have no shortage of material then

    The list of heresies was almost unlimited in those intolerant times!

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    To come back to the OP though and I'm not convinced that Catharism/Bogomilism (these two terms are virtually interchangeable) made any serious inroads into England.

    Lollardism certainly did and this bore some resemblance to C/B-ism, which had spread from Occitania to places like Flanders and Germany before being finally extinguished. I'm pretty sure that Lollardism drew some heavy influence from this and the timing of Lollardism's appearance is close enough to suggest that it was a continuation of C/B-ism that had slowly seeped across the English Channel in a slightly altered form.

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    Here is a beautiful song about the Cathares (aka Bogomiles).

    If you watch it on YouTube you'll notice that I've just translated it into English but I wouldn't try singing the English version because it no longer rhymes and the syllables don't fit ...


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