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    Post The Liberal as Oppressor and Victim

    The liberal as oppressor and victim

    (Bart Croughs)

    The way in which liberal intellectuals try to impress their audience is rather paradoxical. They humiliate themselves and consider themselves to be very reprehensible. They constantly shout: 'We are oppressors! Unjust! Egoists! Shame on us!' They have a sense of eternal guilt about the wrongdoings of their early ancestors, and they don't want to hear anything about their good qualities. Even today they consider the West objectionable and reprehensible, guilty of all the suffering in the world.

    At first sight all this seems very modest, but the tricky thing is that all these manifestations of guilt are at the same time a way of showing off. The liberal says: `Look here, how an evil oppressor I am!', but his real and hidden message is: 'Look here, how civilized I am, confessing my guilt. I am not that bad at all! On the contrary, strictly speaking I'm good and only those who deny their guilt are really bad.'

    By loudly proclaiming his wickedness, the liberal proves how virtuous he really is; his guilt changes into moral superiority. The man who cries that men wickedly oppress women, tells at the same time that he isn't really one of them. His fellow men are oppressors, he himself is a good guy. The white man who cries that white people oppress their coloured fellow citizens, says at the same time: 'I don't belong to the oppressors, I am a good guy.'

    Good by being bad, that's the liberal as oppressor. If he is lucky, the liberal can gain moral superiority not only by playing the role of oppressor, but also by playing the role of victim: homosexual, black, woman, disabled. As a victim he is virtuous in a different way: not by confessing his guilt, like the oppressor does, but solely by being a victim. He doesn't have to do anything but being a victim of oppression; that's enough to gain moral superiority.

    The oppression the victim pretends to suffer doesn't exist, and so he is permanently looking for evidence of his oppression. It doesn't matter how faulty this evidence is: the intellectual as an oppressor will accept anything as proof of his own wickedness. He even helps searching for evidence. This gives him a kind of perverted pleasure: it's a way to demonstrate his goodness. The oppressor and the victim are each other's necessary complement. The oppressor needs the victim to demonstrate the wickedness - that is: the goodness - of the oppressor. In his turn the victim needs the oppressor, because the oppressor is the only one who will acknowledge him as a victim. That is: he is the only one who will recognize his moral superiority. The oppressor and the victim live in a symbiotic relationship; a crosspollination of goodness occurs.

    The liberals play different roles at the same time. Some only play the role of victim: a black lesbian woman in a wheelchair for instance is a fourfold victim. Others only play the role of oppressor: a healthy white heterosexual male is a fourfold oppressor. Many liberals play both roles. A white woman for instance: as a woman she plays the role of victim, and as a white she plays the role of oppressor. Here we see two souls living in the same chest.

    There are also people who don't wish to play their predetermined role: they refuse to play the game. The man who is predetermined to play the role of oppressor, but refuses to play his part, is banned from the intellectual community. He is called 'reactionary' or 'fascist'. One could think he's a threat to the system, but that is not the case. On the contrary, the oppressor needs the reactionary as badly as he needs the victim. The wickedness of the reactionary confirms the goodness of the oppressor who confesses to his guilt.

    Then there is a special category: those who faithfully play their victim-role, but refuse to play their part of oppressor. For instance: a white homosexual man who as a homosexual plays the role of victim, but refuses as a white male to play the role of oppressor. He is half good, half reactionairy. The liberal gets very confused by this kind of person: they don't fit into his system.

    But the liberal gets really scared by the people who are predetermined to play the role of victim, but bluntly refuse to do so. This way, the oppressor loses his necessary complement, and so he loses his ability to demonstrate his goodness. This can cause an existential crisis. The victim also loses ground: he turns out to be an ordinairy fraud. For instance: the Asians in the West are by the colour of their skin predetermined to play the role of the victim, but they bluntly refuse to do so. Margareth Thatcher, who never spoke a word about the 'disadvantaged' position of women, is another example. These people, who don't play the rules of the intellectual game, scare the hell out of the liberal. The only thing left to do is: pay no attention to these people and hope that nobody else does.

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    Post AW: The liberal as oppressor and victim

    Indeed Oppression comes through the Liberal chain of thought through the arguement of victimization, in turn using the pretext of this apparent victimization to become the Oppressors themselves. Hypocrisy at best.
    "Let your love towards life, be love towards your highest hope:
    and let your highest hope be the highest idea of life."
    ~Friedrich Nietzsche~

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    Post Re: AW: The liberal as oppressor and victim

    Damn good post.

    The irony: being moral in traditional societies meant displaying the virtues which furthered both the common good and the well being of the individual (i.e. gained socially recognised honour, women, glory, fame, etc.). Now morality has not nearly enough of an effect as it used to, but it's also used against the common good, and people are still as fanatical in upholding it as the Inquisitors upheld the faith in Spain centuries ago
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: AW: The liberal as oppressor and victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Prussian
    Indeed Oppression comes through the Liberal chain of thought through the arguement of victimization, in turn using the pretext of this apparent victimization to become the Oppressors themselves. Hypocrisy at best.
    Or a mental illness, because it an unhealthy level of self hate isnt it.

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    Post Re: The liberal as oppressor and victim

    Highly relevant to the study of the liberal/leftist mindset

    The chapter 'Oversocialization' from Industrial Society and Its Future by Theodore Kaczynski.


    OVERSOCIALIZATION



    24. Psychologists use the term "socialization" to designate the
    process by which children are trained to think and act as society
    demands. A person is said to be well socialized if he believes in and
    obeys the moral code of his society and fits in well as a functioning
    part of that society. It may seem senseless to say that many leftists
    are over-socialized, since the leftist is perceived as a rebel.
    Nevertheless, the position can be defended. Many leftists are not such
    rebels as they seem.

    25. The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can
    think, feel and act in a completely moral way. For example, we are not
    supposed to hate anyone, yet almost everyone hates somebody at some
    time or other, whether he admits it to himself or not. Some people are
    so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally
    imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt,
    they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives
    and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality
    have a non-moral origin. We use the term "oversocialized" to describe
    such people. [2]

    26. Oversocialization can lead to low self-esteem, a sense of
    powerlessness, defeatism, guilt, etc. One of the most important means
    by which our society socializes children is by making them feel
    ashamed of behavior or speech that is contrary to society's
    expectations. If this is overdone, or if a particular child is
    especially susceptible to such feelings, he ends by feeling ashamed of
    HIMSELF. Moreover the thought and the behavior of the oversocialized
    person are more restricted by society's expectations than are those of
    the lightly socialized person. The majority of people engage in a
    significant amount of naughty behavior. They lie, they commit petty
    thefts, they break traffic laws, they goof off at work, they hate
    someone, they say spiteful things or they use some underhanded trick
    to get ahead of the other guy. The oversocialized person cannot do
    these things, or if he does do them he generates in himself a sense of
    shame and self-hatred. The oversocialized person cannot even
    experience, without guilt, thoughts or feelings that are contrary to
    the accepted morality; he cannot think "unclean" thoughts. And
    socialization is not just a matter of morality; we are socialized to
    confirm to many norms of behavior that do not fall under the heading
    of morality. Thus the oversocialized person is kept on a psychological
    leash and spends his life running on rails that society has laid down
    for him. In many oversocialized people this results in a sense of
    constraint and powerlessness that can be a severe hardship. We suggest
    that oversocialization is among the more serious cruelties that human
    beings inflict on one another.

    27. We argue that a very important and influential segment of the
    modern left is oversocialized and that their oversocialization is of
    great importance in determining the direction of modern leftism.
    Leftists of the oversocialized type tend to be intellectuals or
    members of the upper-middle class. Notice that university
    intellectuals (3) constitute the most highly socialized segment of our
    society and also the most left-wing segment.

    28. The leftist of the oversocialized type tries to get off his
    psychological leash and assert his autonomy by rebelling. But usually
    he is not strong enough to rebel against the most basic values of
    society. Generally speaking, the goals of today's leftists are NOT in
    conflict with the accepted morality. On the contrary, the left takes
    an accepted moral principle, adopts it as its own, and then accuses
    mainstream society of violating that principle. Examples: racial
    equality, equality of the sexes, helping poor people, peace as opposed
    to war, nonviolence generally, freedom of expression, kindness to
    animals. More fundamentally, the duty of the individual to serve
    society and the duty of society to take care of the individual. All
    these have been deeply rooted values of our society (or at least of
    its middle and upper classes (4) for a long time. These values are
    explicitly or implicitly expressed or presupposed in most of the
    material presented to us by the mainstream communications media and
    the educational system. Leftists, especially those of the
    oversocialized type, usually do not rebel against these principles but
    justify their hostility to society by claiming (with some degree of
    truth) that society is not living up to these principles.

    29. Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized
    leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our
    society while pretending to be in rebellion against it. Many leftists
    push for affirmative action, for moving black people into
    high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more
    money for such schools; the way of life of the black "underclass" they
    regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into
    the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just
    like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the
    last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white
    man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in
    what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It
    can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food,
    listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going
    to a black-style church or mosque. In other words, it can express
    itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects more
    leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform
    to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical
    subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing
    the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white.
    They want to make black fathers "responsible." they want black gangs
    to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the
    industrial-technological system. The system couldn't care less what
    kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what
    religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a
    respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a "responsible" parent,
    is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it,
    the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the
    system and make him adopt its values.

    30. We certainly do not claim that leftists, even of the
    oversocialized type, NEVER rebel against the fundamental values of our
    society. Clearly they sometimes do. Some oversocialized leftists have
    gone so far as to rebel against one of modern society's most important
    principles by engaging in physical violence. By their own account,
    violence is for them a form of "liberation." In other words, by
    committing violence they break through the psychological restraints
    that have been trained into them. Because they are oversocialized
    these restraints have been more confining for them than for others;
    hence their need to break free of them. But they usually justify their
    rebellion in terms of mainstream values. If they engage in violence
    they claim to be fighting against racism or the like.

    31. We realize that many objections could be raised to the foregoing
    thumb-nail sketch of leftist psychology. The real situation is
    complex, and anything like a complete description of it would take
    several volumes even if the necessary data were available. We claim
    only to have indicated very roughly the two most important tendencies
    in the psychology of modern leftism.

    32. The problems of the leftist are indicative of the problems of our
    society as a whole. Low self-esteem, depressive tendencies and
    defeatism are not restricted to the left. Though they are especially
    noticeable in the left, they are widespread in our society. And
    today's society tries to socialize us to a greater extent than any
    previous society. We are even told by experts how to eat, how to
    exercise, how to make love, how to raise our kids and so forth.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: The liberal as oppressor and victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer
    Highly relevant to the study of the liberal/leftist mindset
    Im not convinced he was right about oversocialisation, but he was right that leftists hate power because nothing else can explain their double standards. Like when they tolerate or apologiise for immigrants who are usually more sexist/racist/homophobic/whatever than conservatives are.

    I think his theory confuses the cause and effects, because its through leftists were socialised with leftism in the first place.

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    I remember going to a meeting of the group Socialist Alternative last year. They made a bunch of speeches giving George Bush shit and calling for proletarian revolution - there was one guy with a working class job there, and he was the leader of a plumber's union. The rest were university students, most of them were fags or lesbians. Oversocialisation described their problem perfectly. Leftism because they're a pack of losers.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: The liberal as oppressor and victim

    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    I think his theory confuses the cause and effects, because its through leftists were socialised with leftism in the first place.
    Sorry, I don't quite understand what you're saying here... could you explain it a little ?

    I thought his idea seemed good / fitting on first read...

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    Post Re: The liberal as oppressor and victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Startide
    Sorry, I don't quite understand what you're saying here... could you explain it a little ?

    I thought his idea seemed good / fitting on first read...
    Im saying that according to the Unabomber Manifesto, leftists are mentally ill through oversocialisation, when in my opinion, they must be the cause of it, because before liberalism, there was no such oversocialisation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atlanto-med
    Im saying that according to the Unabomber Manifesto, leftists are mentally ill through oversocialisation, when in my opinion, they must be the cause of it, because before liberalism, there was no such oversocialisation.
    Declaring individuals and groups ill fitsany leftist agenda; probe, seclude and nurse the patient, but unlike initiation or meditation, the personality isn't build up and harnessed to seek out its best destiny, beyond reasoning about succes or defeat, but true to one's inner nature, as a being among beings; no, the person is reduced to a set of patterns, coordinates and command instructions, like a MIDI-file, to integrate in a world devoid of heart and soul, symmetric and manipulated, fashioned to an ideal that prunes away the interrelationships with fellow men, nature and the realm of values and principles that the Left supposedly tries to achieve.

    Whereas Conservatives want to bring out the best what a person has in store, Modernists wants to manifacture man's inner richness by wiping out whole parts of him and "transplant" new assets and qualities with sly methods and science, which makes this new liberated and open-minded man nothing more than a on the surface only, less ham-fisted, grotesque monster of Frankenstein...

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