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    Post Redefining the Concept of Citizenship

    The question of Citizenship is an important one, in an age where everyone becomes a Citizen either through birth in the State's territory or through a Naturalisation process, I feel that there is a need to redifine the concept of Citizenship to a higher level. What are your ideas?

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    As I've mentioned in the Economic Policy thread, I believe several levels of citizenship should be required.

    First, Guest citizenship. Guest citizenship would be available to racial foreigners fleeing political persecution (e.g. nationalist leaders fleeing ZOG controlled countries) or tourists.

    Second, Subject citizenship. A guest would be permitted to possess land and property, to hold a job, but not for the purposes of generating capital.

    Third, Economic citizenship. An economic citizen would have to sign a pledge saying he would not use his capital against the racial and cultural requirements of the race. He would be permitted, in turn, to own and operate a business, generate and invest capital, and would have to subordinate his interests to the orders of the State in times of war. An economic citizen would also pay less tax.

    Fourth, Political citizenship. Aquired through either tertiary education (some people simply aren't fit for military service but DO have the brains to operate the State), military or civil service, this would give the individual the ability to vote, operate as a legal representative or stand as candidate for public office.

    Political citizens would be taxed less for the effects of positive eugenics, while most of the tax burden would be on subjects (though taxes would not be too high, but enough to encourage the population to seek some sort of citizenship - either economic or political).
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    The model you propose is a good one. Even though I do not like Democracy or rather the Multi-Party System I do believe in holding Consultational Referenda on important issues as often as possible and I think that the Folk as a whole should be involved in this. Voting should not be restricted to Political Citizenship, rather Political Citizenship should give you the right to run as a Candidate in Elections to elect the Party Representatives to the State and to propose Referenda.

    Voting should be allowed to all those with Subject Citizenship and higher levels of Citizenship (if they are indeed higher).

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    Post Re: Citizenship - Your ideas?

    Yes, citizenship has been cheapened and spread too thin.

    It must be serverely limited once more, making a much smaller population of citizens proper, with rights, duties, based on strict status and heritage qualifications.

    Those not meeting the latter qualifications will have accordingly reduced rights etc.,
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    Post Re: Citizenship - Your ideas?

    What can be done to the more fortune individuals in a state who has this sytem and can damage it? I mean the purpose with this system is to sort out the bad from the god so alot more rules must be formed in the same process as a new citizenship-system is being put to action. These laws doesn't go along with liberalism and neither with democracy. But both of them are overrated imho. I would support a system like this ovecourse.

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    Post Re: Citizenship - Your ideas?

    The issue of citizenship is something i've spent a lot of time thinking about. My personal opinion is that an individual should not be offered the right of citizenship in a country where he or she is not racially assimilable. Furthermore i believe that unassimilable citizens should have their citizenships withdrawn.

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    Post Re: Citizenship - Your ideas?

    Quote Originally Posted by VÄRING
    The issue of citizenship is something i've spent a lot of time thinking about. My personal opinion is that an individual should not be offered the right of citizenship in a country where he or she is not racially assimilable. Furthermore i believe that unassimilable citizens should have their citizenships withdrawn.
    What consitutes racial non-assimilation?
    What about levels of citizenship?
    Could certain peoples have partial citizenship according to their worth?
    Would you allow people to PROVE their assimilation?
    Could this be legally ajudged?
    Could there be 'honorary citizenship' etc.,
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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    Post Re: Citizenship - Your ideas?

    Wow Jack. This is a great idea.

    In the movie Starship Troopers, a person had to do service in the army to gain citizenship. Ive always liked that idea.

    I think non-european races should only be allowed to live in europe as slaves. If a non-european person does not accept his status as a slave he should be given the option to either be executed or exiled from europe. Very simple.
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    Post Re: Citizenship - Your ideas?

    I prefer a simpler system with two or three levels of citizenship.

    1. Guests. Temporary asylumseekers and tourists. This group should be as small as possible, since history proves that these sooner or later becomes full citizens. Refugees should be taken care of in their own continent, even though Europe can contribute economically they should not come to us.

    2. Partial citizens. Children, the very unfit, and the pariahs (some criminals, not all). This group should be kept as small as possible, given the genetic potential of most whites.

    3. Full citizens. This should be earned by proving ones worth through education or military service.

    No sort of "keeping nonwhites as slaves" or other fantasies. Nonwhites should either be assimilated and given full rights, or repatriated. Assimilating the worthy nonwhites, maybe 3-4% in Sweden, does not make us extinct (BTW most worthy nonwhites are closely related to us, like Iranians and some Arabs). Unworthy or unassimilable nonwhites should be sent home (many Negroes would fall in this category).

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    Post Re: Citizenship - Your ideas?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    What consitutes racial non-assimilation?
    An alien, disparate genetic make-up.

    Quote Originally Posted by MOody Lawless
    Would you allow people to PROVE their assimilation?
    I meant racially assimilable, not assimilation in general. Whether a certain individual can speak the language or not isn't relevant. I also don't see the point in different levels of citizenship.

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