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    Question HG2 Genetic Marker?

    I am ignorant when it comes to this subject so I would appreciate it if anyone can explain this. HG2(blue) stands for "Gotlander" so therefore every country in Europe that has HG2 is descended from Goths?

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    Thanks for posting the highly interesting map providenje!

    Just quickly - let me say that "Gotlander" does not necessarily mean "Gothic" - even though the Gothic migration path southwards from Sweden most probably went through the island of Gotland. As far as I know, the population of Gotland is fairly homogeneously Swedish Hallstatt Nordic. Whether the original Goths looked like modern HN, we can speculate about.

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    Thanks for answering my question!


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    Originally posted by providenje
    Thanks for answering my question!

    No problem I am actually wondering if this "Gotlander" marker is possibly the Corded marker... it is very possible indeed.

    I am fascinated by all this. I would love to get clarification about all these genetic markers. Providenje, can you please provide me with the link where this map has been found? I know from the attachment that it came from Stormfront, but it is impossible to tell from which thread. It seems that this is not the full map.

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    Originally posted by Loki
    No problem I am actually wondering if this "Gotlander" marker is possibly the Corded marker... it is very possible indeed.

    I am fascinated by all this. I would love to get clarification about all these genetic markers. Providenje, can you please provide me with the link where this map has been found? I know from the attachment that it came from Stormfront, but it is impossible to tell from which thread. It seems that this is not the full map.


    Best regards,

    Loki

    I also wonder.:think but it might not be true. HG2 is found in the Balkans as well.


    Apparently the bottom of the map was cut off??

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...threadid=74550

    This is interesting:

    "The set of most common values for HG2 given here is based on a database of 140 results whose HG2 components were likely primarily of the haplogroup "I" branch. Haplogroup "I" is found in Central and Eastern Europe, but also accounts for almost all the HG2s in Northern Europe and the British Isles. Haplogroup "I" is thought to stem from a group (Gravettian culture) that arrived in Europe from the Middle East about 25,000 years ago. The Gravettian culture was "known for its Venus figurines, shell jewellery, and for using mammoth bones to build homes".

    The other parts of HG2 - Haplogroups F, G, and J - are more common in Southern and Eastern Europe. They are believed to be the descendants of the Neolithic farmers from the Middle East who were the first to practice agriculture in Europe. Each of those branches will have their own set of common values - all different from that shown here for "I". If your values for DYS426, DYS438 and GGAAT1B07 match those of HG2 but you differ from the HG2 most common values in more than about ten markers, then you may belong to the F, G, or J parts of HG2. "

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....elGen/YCC.html

    It's more complex than I originally thought.




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    Thanks again, providenje.

    Originally posted by providenje
    I also wonder.:think but it might not be true. HG2 is found in the Balkans as well.
    Well, the Steppe Battle Axe culture in the Thraco-Cimmerian domain reached into the Balkans around 1,850 B.C. - according to the information I have.



    It's more complex than I originally thought.

    Absolutely... so complex that it can be frustrating. We somehow have to bring history, anthropology and genetics together. It is possible.... I will not rest until I have a thorough understanding of how everything fits in together.

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    Originally posted by Loki
    Thanks again, providenje.



    Well, the Steppe Battle Axe culture in the Thraco-Cimmerian domain reached into the Balkans around 1,850 B.C. - according to the information I have.





    Absolutely... so complex that it can be frustrating. We somehow have to bring history, anthropology and genetics together. It is possible.... I will not rest until I have a thorough understanding of how everything fits in together.

    Regards,

    Loki
    Youre right about the Thraco-Cimmerians!

    It is frustrating.So many different theories etc. I wish I understood how everything fits in together also.


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    I've worked over countless historical articles trying to determine the racial types of uncertain groups like the Cimmerians, Kurgans, Scythians/Sarmatians, Sumerians, and so on. My dream would be to assemble a very detailed genetic profile of every region of every country in the world, in order to track the gene flow that has occurred, as well as identify the original epicenters of various racial types.

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