View Poll Results: What is your faith?

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    124 30.92%
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    93 23.19%
  • Agnosticism

    45 11.22%
  • Atheism

    67 16.71%
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    71 17.71%
  • Pantheism

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  • Deism

    1 0.25%
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    Wrong. I am not a follower of ANY religion. I meant Pagan in the heathen sense, you understand? Not into paganism so to speak.

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    Originally posted by Berserker
    Wrong. I am not a follower of ANY religion. I meant Pagan in the heathen sense, you understand? Not into paganism so to speak.
    In what sense is Paganism/Heathenism not a religion? It has deities, doesn't it? It has a world view complete with a creed of origins, doesn't it? If You believe in any form of these things, however altered by modern scientific knowledge (something that Paganism dealt with much better than the slave religions which still try to enforce Creationism upon their adherents), then You are a believer in the religion of Paganism. If You don't believe in these things, then You are not a Pagan, but an atheist (which although not actually a religion, is still a form of religious thought).

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    in the sense that i do not worship any deities, and i do not follow and laws, or believe in conforming to others ideals. How can I possibly be religious?

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    Originally posted by Berserker
    in the sense that i do not worship any deities, and i do not follow and laws, or believe in conforming to others ideals. How can I possibly be religious?
    At least You don't make any wishy washy attempts to straddle the fence. In this case, You are not a Pagan. Pagans/Heathens do indeed believe in deities. As for ideals, while they don't perceive it as conforming to the ideals of another (and certainly not of another mortal), like all other religions there is a set of ideals that must be conformed to because the Gods command it. They are also usually (but not always) that religion's idea of what is right and just, but the fact remains that the Gods command their followers to be right and just. If You follow your own ideals of what is right and just for their own sake rather than any divine command, then You are arguably nobler than he who follows the precepts of his religion. However, the fact remains that You are not following any religion and therefore cannot be a Pagan.
    Paganism, for all it's differences with the slave religions, is still a religion.

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    pa·gan Pronunciation Key (pgn)
    n.
    One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion.
    One who has no religion.
    A non-Christian.
    A hedonist.
    A Neo-Pagan.


    this is what i mean

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    Originally posted by Berserker
    pa·gan Pronunciation Key (pgn)
    n.
    One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion.
    One who has no religion.
    A non-Christian.
    A hedonist.
    A Neo-Pagan.

    this is what i mean
    No, this is not what You mean. This is a collection of meanings taken from a dictionary, some of which are diametrically opposed to each other. You seem to be arguing for the second definition, yet this definition stands in direct contradiction to the first and fifth, and to most of what could be included in the third. Nor does it particularly agree with the fourth, since hedonists may still believe in God.
    The original meaning of Paganism was 1) the polytheistic religions of the ancient world. As Christianity firmed it's grip, it came to mean 3) any non-Christian. As Christians came to admit their common origins with moslems and Jews, it came to mean something similar to it's original meaning, but only insofar as it was excluding "the People of the Book" (those religions based upon the Bible) from the pejorative meaning which the word by now carried. In modern times it was used rather loosely to describe 2) atheists, but I'm sure You'll realize that this was a conversational and incorrect usage. Right about this time pagans were also compared to 4) hedonists. This wonderfully incorrect usage was generally made on the basis of the greatly exaggerated orgies of ancient Rome, but by that time the Empire had become largely atheistic, religion being more of a fashion statement than a set of beliefs just before the Christian takeover. Certainly, the orgiasts would have laughed at the notion of taking divinity seriously. And very recently, the appearance of people professing beliefs inspired by ancient Pagan religions have reclaimed the word to describe 5) themselves.
    Do learn to say what You mean, or You will never mean what You say.

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    lol well what i actually meant is I am not of any religion, and specifically of the Islam, Judaism, Christian zionist mindwash religions. I am not interested in any fanatic religion created in the desert. So I could still be classified as Pagan or Heathen... another defintion for Pagan being country folk, which is also true.
    Pagan has many meanings, just as alot of words do, so maybe I should choose another word to describe myself, but that would be the closet thing to it you see?

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    Originally posted by Berserker
    lol well what i actually meant is I am not of any religion, and specifically of the Islam, Judaism, Christian zionist mindwash religions. I am not interested in any fanatic religion created in the desert. So I could still be classified as Pagan or Heathen... another defintion for Pagan being country folk, which is also true.
    Pagan has many meanings, just as alot of words do, so maybe I should choose another word to describe myself, but that would be the closet thing to it you see?
    Atheist. I realize You have a certain sympathy for our ancient religion, which quite frankly all Aryans should have, but this still does not make You a believer. And I must discount some of the dictionary definitions since a dictionaries function is merely to list. To analyze the list and select the correct meaning is your function. For example, if You pass by my poolside and observe me languidly enjoying the ministrations of a submissive Asian in public, and mutter "pagan!" under your breath, anyone who hears will know that You're calling me a pervert. However, if You say You're a Pagan in a thread like this, everyone will think You believe in Odin or Zeus. I do realize that there's always room for interpretation, but clarifying your meaning first will help You to arrive at the correct interpretation.

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    As i do have a deep interest/respect in ancient Aryan religions/culture, also being a big part of my Nordic/Celtic heritage, i do enjoy the most of it, but i take i for what it is. I do understand where you're coming from here, I just always thought of `PAGAN' as not accepting the mainstream religions. But from now on in respect of your better judgement I will not call myself a Pagan if it that makes any sense... I will just consider myself Aryan I do find the whole creator topic interesting as well, but like i said i should not really label myself anything in the first place, because that is a contradiction in its self to me. But it does seem that most of all our histories are intertwined with Paganism/Occultism/Celticism, it's just in our white roots... in our blood.

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    Originally posted by Berserker
    As i do have a deep interest/respect in ancient Aryan religions/culture, also being a big part of my Nordic/Celtic heritage, i do enjoy the most of it, but i take i for what it is. I do understand where you're coming from here, I just always thought of `PAGAN' as not accepting the mainstream religions. But from now on in respect of your better judgement I will not call myself a Pagan if it that makes any sense... I will just consider myself Aryan I do find the whole creator topic interesting as well, but like i said i should not really label myself anything in the first place, because that is a contradiction in its self to me. But it does seem that most of all our histories are intertwined with Paganism/Occultism/Celticism, it's just in our white roots... in our blood.
    That's why I said that all Aryans should have some sympathy with the Ancient Religion. It's virtues embodied those which we as a People sought to cultivate, it's myths preserved memories of where we had been and what we had done. Paganism served the interests of the Nation that believed in it, almost a form of religious, rather than political, national socialism, if You will.

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