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    Lucifer as Liberator

    (A note from the underground)

    We live in a world of pain and fear
    There's nothing left over here
    Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide
    And nothing but a void on the other side.
    So welcome my brothers to the underground
    Where nothing is ever safe or sound
    We live tortured, impaled and betrayed
    By the generation that gave us the chaos days



    Where are we from? Where are we going?

    We stand on the edge of an epoch. At the the beginning of the end and the end of the beginning. Ragnarok stands at the horizon, and the world revolves towards it, ever closer, ever colder, and it burns.

    War rages across the continents as two peoples fight to the death - one, for percieved security - one, to determine their own future, free from foreign interferance. Civilizations are at war, and we, the chaos generation, hang inert, inwardly shattered, outwardly ignored, socially disaffected.

    We are raised in broken homes, by an older generation that does not understand what, or how, we suffer. We destroy ourselves, because we believe we cannot be saved - not by those who gave us these chaos days, and not by God.

    Yet God is the excuse that is given to us - it is given to us so those on top can hold us in line, so we our vision can be distorted. God, it is said, created us - for what? For his own self-aggrandizement. For his own satisfaction. He apparently demanded we remain in servitude, blind that he is not our liberator, but our slave driver. And the liberator came and told us to take the forbidden... knowledge. And he was cast away, downwards. We are his children, are we not? - the children of the Great Liberator? Our other Father refused to bow down to his master and render unto him what he viewed as most sacred - and his sacrifice was not accepted. Yet his brother willfully handed over what he most loved. He was a fool, was he not? Why should man surrender what he loves the most? And how did our Father take revenge against the fool? He destroyed him, the fool - and our Father was banished. We are his children also.

    And so we live, a generation wielded as a tool by the elite, to be thrown into wars that we have no interest in fighting, in working jobs we hate for **** we don't need, in order to feed, to support, to allow the parasites at the top to keep on doing what they have done to us, to grind us into dust, destroy who we are and shatter out identities. Yet it will not last - how can it? We are fed into systems to be turned into cogs in a machine that, without our willing so, will not last, will collapse of its own accord. We are treated as human ****, and it is fear that unites us against the slave driver. Resentment is the mother of all revolution - identity is its father.

    We are told that we are all the same - all the same, many and interchangable, without regard to our own identities and minds and individualities. They claim - the slave drivers claim - that they (we do not exist, apparently) have reached the end of history, that they have discovered the "truth" - that is, the most subtle way to control us - that is their "liberal democracy". Yet again, we are at the end of their history. Not ours. Ours is just beginning.

    We have no respect for their authority, for their "power", for their way of life. They claim we are nihilists - our representatives, not chosen from their ranks, are evil, and heretics, and degenerate - apparently. But who is the judge? Us - or them? And who created us - ourselves, or them?

    We wield the future - the future beyond the end of history. It is time that we are no longer created by them. It is time that we do not allow them to define who we are. It is time we become the creators, the self created. We must begin to work our own will. To create our own way of life, our own values, our own authority - and we will no longer bow before the slave drivers. And neither must own our way of life, our own values or our authorities. We, the children of Cain and Lucifer, must rise and claim what will be our own. If we do not, then we do not stand before Ragnarok - not the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning - but the end, the end of everything, even ourselves.

    We cannot be saved either by those who have brought us these days to come, or by their God. We must save ourselves. We are to carve our own out of the ruins that will emerge when the chaos days come. And they are coming soon. And the slave drivers are blind to that, they cannot see, they are unwilling to see...

    The question is, are we to be blind also? Or are we to see, to rise, and to take what will be ours, from the feeble hands of a generation that has long since surrendered its freedom?

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    Notes on the above:

    Lucifer is the Great Liberator mentioned, Cain the father. Cain is seen as the father because he refused to sacrifice what he loved most to an authority which seemed to wield all power, and Lucifer told man to take knowledge and reach for his own Godhood.

    This post is centered around Luciferianism, not Satanism - Satanism is hedonistic individualism, while Luciferianism sees Lucifer as a Prometheus-like hero, rising up in subversion of authority to advance the people's state of affairs.

    It might be worth mentioning that Lucifer means Light Bringer, and the ideal of Lucifer pre-dates the Jewish God in history. The figure of Lucifer is not actually semetic, but Roman - Lucifer is the son of Aurora, the personification of Venus as the morning star, though the context I've placed it in here can either be Hellenic/Roman or Judaic - Judaic because Lucifer rebelled against God the tyrant, and Hellenic because Lucifer, being the Light Bearer, is akin to Prometheus who stole light from the Gods and gave it to man. And he was punished. The resemblance between the two myths is interesting.

    Oh, and there is a racialist element in that post, hidden amongst the obvious nihilism - We are told that we are all the same - all the same, many and interchangable, without regard to our own identities and minds and individualities. Put that in context of my idea of European nationalism and it makes a bit more sense

    I typed that up (without the interpretation) for a socialist forum, most of them missed the racialist-culturalist element, I'm interested to see what people here think. By the way, I wrote the poem at the start myself, it's going to be in my book which deals a lot with what I've just posted (from the perspective of a boy growing up through the chaos days).
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    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Basically you said everything I wanted to say in your notes to it. It all sounds so Nihilistic and yearning towards a greater conception of Society, a Nobility of sorts, and a return to Honour.

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    That's what I think. personally I think it sums up our Spirit of the Age. I don't know if that's a good thing. I think we'll find out on the other side of Ragnarok I guess. But there is a bit of hope there, somewhere. The third and last revolution?

    (note: first is 1917 and/or 1789. second is 1933. Third is 20??).

    An interesting thought - has there ever been any significant revolution outside European/West Aryan civilization not inspired by European thinking?

    Yes, I do mean we can claim Marxism as European thinking - Marx hated Jews (who were then viewed as a religious and cultural community, hence he would not be a hypocrite in the context of his time) and advocated European unity, Marxism after Marx was manipulated and hijacked by the Jews. Marxism was faulty (and its view as economics as foundation of society is a load of crap), but the point stands - has there been any revolution that was not inspired by European philosophy?
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    I do not know whether the claim that Marxism was not a Jewish construct is true, but certainly I understand where you come from, besides Engels was not Jewish right?

    Still the Jewish component of Communism is still vibrant and there were many prominent Communist that were of Jewish ethnicity.

    This is off-subject though.

    Regarding The Spirit Of The Age, is that taken from Yockey or from Spengler. I have to get reading those, but now I am interesting in reading something regarding Idealism.

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    Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
    I do not know whether the claim that Marxism was not a Jewish construct is true, but certainly I understand where you come from, besides Engels was not Jewish right?

    Still the Jewish component of Communism is still vibrant and there were many prominent Communist that were of Jewish ethnicity.

    This is off-subject though.

    Regarding The Spirit Of The Age, is that taken from Yockey or from Spengler. I have to get reading those, but now I am interesting in reading something regarding Idealism.
    Yes, the Spirit of the Age was taken from Yockey, though I also believe Hegel used that term.

    I don't believe Engels was Jewish, though I could be proven wrong. Indeed, most prominent Communists (especially Karl Kautsky, who mutilated the essence of Marxist revolutionism and turned it into social democracy, which later evolved into Transnational Progressivism - Lenin bittery criticizes him in What is to be Done?, a book I recommend WN/EN's read - we can compare economism, as Lenin describes it, to the tendencies to campaign for white rights, the "terrorists" to the skinheads, and it also outlines Lenin's theory of a vanguard of the revolution) were Jewish, most of the Bolsheviks were Jews. Plus we have those we can describe as Transnational Progressivists, who are almost entirely Jewish.

    Tomorrow I should read the few chapters in The Open Society and Its Enemies by Karl Popper that deal with Hegel, and we can discuss his philosophy of dialectical materialism. The chapter of Imperium titled "Articulation of a Culture" deals with the Spirit of the Age I believe, though I'll have to go over it again.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    There surely have been significant revolutions outside Europe and those which didn't quite borrow from the Europeans any ideas.

    The revolt of Kautilya in Takshila in the late 4th century BCE. Its the most prominent which comes to my mind. Infact the whole thesis of Kautilya's can be evaluated in relation to the idea which were the very seed of his revolution.

    That was a violent revolution, but there was also a silent revolution led by Sankara against the spiritual vacuum of Buddhism.

    Pushymithra Shunga's seizure of throne to re-establish the right order, an idea which appeared again later in the spirit of Julius Evola.

    There are many other, but these are not taken seriously by the university scholar historian.

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    Of course. Quite probably it is because scholar historians do not take a great interest these events that I haven't heard of them. Please excuse my ignorance, perhaps it would better have been stated "Have there been any revolutions that did not derive from Aryan ideals?"

    I've started reading (again) the chapter-by-chapter summary of Evola's Men Amongst the Ruins at www.rosenoire.org, Evola certainly had some excellent ideas, though I am not sure how these would apply to bring about a white Europe once again (though certainly his Tradition would serve to help unify it once again).
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Some more thoughts

    Thanks to Rahul, I've begun to read (a small part of) Decline of the West, written by Oswald Spengler. One quote made me think about some ideas, and here is the quote. What follows will be my ideas.

    A quiet spiritual morale welling from Magian feeling - a morale or conduct recommended as potent for salvation, a moral the knowledge of which was communicated as a special act of grace was recast as a morale of imperetive command.
    This, as far as I can tell, is the origin of the Faustian soul originating in Western Europe. The grace of God became Command, God disappeared, and yet the social morality "thou shalt" was retained. It underlies every ideal in the West - thou shalt defend the nation (NS), thou shalt share (communism), thou shalt tolerate anything to the point of capitulation (multiculturalism). Nietzsche recognised the Death of God and changed the base of the ideal from "thou shalt" to "ich will" (I will). The Will to Power came not from above but from inside. Unfortunately, as it did not come from above, the Culture Distorter (i.e. Jews) pounced on this and spread the ideas of that degenerate Satre, who expounded the belief life is empty and pointless - in short, nihilism.

    Which leaves an interesting idea inside my mind. With religious imperetive stripped from the West, it continues with the "thou shalt" ideal and commits hari kari before the third world hordes under the guise of Transnational Progressivism. Spengler, as far as I know, also regards Russia as a seperate Culture - God was stripped from that Culture and in turn was placed the "thou shalt" of socialism - it went straight from the Death of God to the Resurgence of Authority (witness Josef Stalin), although under the guide of the Culture Distorters. Now that has collapsed, Russia is essentially in the same position the West is in. It is nihilistic, and so is the West. It is being destroyed from the inside, and so is the West. It's biological basis is European blood, and so is the West - for the moment, in both cases.

    As I attempted to point out in my earlier thread ("Lucifer as Liberator"), I think there can be a total revaluation of values beyond current nihilism. The West and Russia is culturally leaderless, chaotic, self destructive, and spiritually empty. That gap will not be filled out of leisure, but out of will and nessecity. There needs to be a new spiritual ideology. There needs to be a new authority. There needs to be a new brotherhood. There needs to be a new myth to unite the European peoples of the world.

    The materialistic "what is good for the white race is the ultimate good" will not do. The archaic "the white race are the real Israelites" is not much better. The Christian God is dead. It is buried. The older generation may cling to it all they like but they are not the material History utilizes to further itself. What is required is an inversion of present Socialist-Christian-Transnational-Progressivist values. Man is not a sacrificial animal. The ideal "thou shalt" must be reversed into "Ich Will". Jesus, the dead man on a crucifix, must not be idolised - is that what we seek to make man into? Is that what will save the European race-culture?

    No. By the same coin, we must not reach for petty materialism to attempt to inspire the chaos generation. That will not work. No civilization has ever conducted revolution on purely biological grounds. No civilization ever will. The mark of man is that he does not have any higher meaning unless he is inspired by something higher than himself. There are no atheists in the trenches, as the saying goes, and the trenches are where our generation is heading - the battlefield of the ideals, the battlefield of the cities.

    The legend of Prometheus is not as well known in the West as the myth of Lucifer. Lucifer told Man that by taking knowledge, he would become as God. For that, he was cast down, and man was cast out of utopia. Over time, we could say the two merged spiritually and became the European race. Yet man did become as God - Europe held the entire planet underneath its heel less than a hundred years ago. Lucifer means "light bearer" and "morning star", depending from which language it is translated. I believe a Myth can be built - Children of the Light. The mark is in our souls, the Faustian drive to overcome darkness. Without Spirit, the material world is not altered. The higher degree by which it is transformed by Man, the higher Spiritual power inside the Man. Has no race-culture struggled and overcome and worked its will to power to any higher degree than the European race-culture?

    I believe the revaluation of values can be accomplished. As I have demonstrated in another thread, Eternal Reccurance as metaphysics cannot serve any moral purpose, and provides no foundation for the will to power. Lucifer replacing God can. The Children of the Light, Titans of the Earth, Gods of the Great White North - that is what we could be.

    Russia is burned out as an independent Culture. The West is spiritually gutted. The bridge can be built, the nihilism can be overcome, and there can be a world beyond Ragnarok - if we will it to be.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Post Re: Some more thoughts

    First of all tell me what does the below statement taken from Spengler means, because frankly I did not understant it. This:

    "A quiet spiritual morale welling from Magian feeling - a morale or conduct recommended as potent for salvation, a moral the knowledge of which was communicated as a special act of grace was recast as a morale of imperetive command."

    Originally posted by Anarch
    Nietzsche recognised the Death of God and changed the base of the ideal from "thou shalt" to "ich will" (I will).
    Nietzsche's overcoming basically.

    The Will to Power came not from above but from inside.
    What do you mean by this?

    There needs to be a new spiritual ideology. There needs to be a new authority. There needs to be a new brotherhood. There needs to be a new myth to unite the European peoples of the world.
    Absolutely true.

    No civilization has ever conducted revolution on purely biological grounds. No civilization ever will. The mark of man is that he does not have any higher meaning unless he is inspired by something higher than himself. There are no atheists in the trenches, as the saying goes, and the trenches are where our generation is heading - the battlefield of the ideals, the battlefield of the cities.
    I agree wholeheartedly, we need a well defined worldview, a clear-cut strategy, and an organised movement with a leading elite.

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    "A quiet spiritual morale welling from Magian feeling - a morale or conduct recommended as potent for salvation, a moral the knowledge of which was communicated as a special act of grace was recast as a morale of imperetive command."
    Sure - basically, this opposes divine grace (i.e. God helps you because he loves you) with divine command (i.e. do it because it is God's will). The West went from being a Magian Culture (uh, Rahul, was it ever like that really?), one built on divine love, into the early Faustian Culture built into a command structure with "God" at the top. Even after God was removed the tendency to command could not be removed and the will to power of the West became unstoppable (a hundred years ago the Europe ruled the world).

    What do you mean by this?
    Ok. Back then, if you did something extreme, you could trace it back to God's will. Now, you can say you did it from the inside of your own strength and will to power.

    I agree wholeheartedly, we need a well defined worldview, a clear-cut strategy, and an organised movement with a leading elite.
    Right now I don't believe forging a clear cut strategy is imperetive. Our movement must be based on white blood as the working foundations. That is there. The whites in this movement must hold true to the Ideal (a biological-spiritual group is Yockey's definition of race). From there an elite can emerge naturally, and they can forge the strategy. Right now I think we need to work on the ideal, and create a new white race of the West.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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