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    Originally posted by ladygoeth33
    Lebed is 1/2 Siberian, 1/2 Ukrainian and Bodrov is 3/4 Russian, 1/4 East Siberian. Yeah, they both look partially mongoloid, but they are phenotypically Uralic and hence, "white."
    Don't make me puke with your posting of mongrel men. I just joined but as far as I know this is a forum for whites only.

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    Originally posted by Nordland
    Don't make me puke with your posting of mongrel men. I just joined but as far as I know this is a forum for whites only.

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    Nope, this forum welcomes Indics, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Egyptians, and all manner of whites, semi-whites, and probably nonwhites as well. As long as they're wellmannered and our women find them goodlooking, their nonwhite ancestry is no problem.

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    LOL @ Nordhammer.

    Originally posted by Nordhammer
    Nope, this forum welcomes Indics, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Egyptians, and all manner of whites, semi-whites, and probably nonwhites as well. As long as they're wellmannered and our women find them goodlooking, their nonwhite ancestry is no problem.
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    Originally posted by Nordhammer
    Nope, this forum welcomes Indics, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Egyptians, and all manner of whites, semi-whites, and probably nonwhites as well. As long as they're wellmannered and our women find them goodlooking, their nonwhite ancestry is no problem.
    Correct.

    This is a European discussion forum and not Lebensborn. As long as people have something positive to contribute to European anthropology, art, culture, history, philosophy, or politics, and support the self-determination of Europeans, and the preservation of our kind, civilization and way of life, they are welcome.

    In fact, I am, amongst others, actually interested in the perspectives of Indics or Orientalids, and would rather have them as our friends than as our enemies.

    Due to the anonymity of the Internet, there is no way to screen users racially anyway, even if one so desired: everyone can pretend to be a 6'6" blonde, blue-eyed Nordish giant. Then I rather choose the way that does not encourage lies, deception and hypocrisy.

    Quiet a few users here would actually be surprised, if they knew of their real racial makeup; and the question what is "white" and how much admixture of which non-"white" (sub-)races is permitted in order still to be considered "white" is undecided, too — and should be left that way.

    I would definitely not approve of otherwise productive and loyal users being banned or not admitted, because they allegedly had Amerindian, Oriental or Uralic ancestors in the early 1800's; or for posting images that illustrate the anthropological periphery of Europe.

    If that makes me a "race traitor", send me a t-shirt.

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    Originally posted by Thorburn
    Correct.

    This is a European discussion forum and not Lebensborn. As long as people have something positive to contribute to European anthropology, art, culture, history, philosophy, or politics, and support the self-determination of Europeans, and the preservation of our kind, civilization and way of life, they are welcome.
    And this is why I said what I did. The sensibilities of most people are incapable of discrimination, except when it comes to bad behavior and criminality. Hence the high IQ Asian is more valuable to people than the low IQ white, or the athletic Negro is more valuable than the white dork. Race is really very low on the totem poll. Whether online or in real life. What matters is what people can contribute and what people can get from each other.


    Originally posted by Thorburn
    In fact, I am, amongst others, actually interested in the perspectives of Indics or Orientalids, and would rather have them as our friends than as our enemies.
    Tis true, multiculturalism/multiracialism is exciting and wonderful, very stimulating. Having the opinions of Indics, Orientalids, Negroes and everyone else is so much more enlightening than just from Europeans.

    Originally posted by Thorburn
    Due to the anonymity of the Internet, there is no way to screen users racially anyway, even if one so desired: everyone can pretend to be a 6'6" blonde, blue-eyed Nordish giant. Then I rather choose the way that does not encourage lies, deception and hypocrisy.

    Quiet a few users here would actually be surprised, if they knew of their real racial makeup; and the question what is "white" and how much admixture of which non-"white" (sub-)races is permitted in order still to be considered "white" is undecided, too — and should be left that way.

    I would definitely not approve of otherwise productive and loyal users being banned or not admitted, because they allegedly had Amerindian, Oriental or Uralic ancestors in the early 1800's; or for posting images that illustrate the anthropological periphery of Europe.
    "I have a dream that we will one day live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character."

    Originally posted by Thorburn
    If that makes me a "race traitor", send me a t-shirt.

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    So nice of you to stick up for the nonwhites, I'm sure they appreciate it.

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    Originally posted by Nordhammer
    And this is why I said what I did. The sensibilities of most people are incapable of discrimination, except when it comes to bad behavior and criminality. Hence the high IQ Asian is more valuable to people than the low IQ white, or the athletic Negro is more valuable than the white dork. Race is really very low on the totem poll. Whether online or in real life. What matters is what people can contribute and what people can get from each other.
    Discrimination means really just distinction or discernment and can be justified or unjustified, depending on the nature or the purpose of an issue in question. The purpose of this board is to protect the freedom of ideas and to exchange information on European issues, with the more distant goal in mind to educate, to lead people back to their roots, to contribute to a European renaissance in values, mind and spirit. I fail to see how a one-drop-rule-discrimination would be helpful in that regard. Discrimination based on the criteria of being knowledgeable, polite and well-mannered, or goal-oriented is helpful. If someone that is not exclusively Europid would desire to support, let's say, Nordish preservation, why should he be turned away?

    Tis true, multiculturalism/multiracialism is exciting and wonderful, very stimulating. Having the opinions of Indics, Orientalids, Negroes and everyone else is so much more enlightening than just from Europeans.
    That depends really on what they have to contribute. We had and have people here whose ancestry was or is presumably not 100% Europid. All these people I have in mind contributed and contribute umpteen times more to the aims of this board and to the understanding of European elites (and to my personal understanding) than the average 100% Europid 1488 shouter.

    "I have a dream that we will one day live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character."
    Martin Luther's ghost writer, whoever he was. Brilliant. But, honestly, I could live by this if necessary. The multi-racial, pluri-ethnic society does not fail because of people like me, but because in most people instincts, feelings and emotions dominate over (or at least distort) reason most of the time. That's simply a fact and is not going to change.

    The only way to eliminate unfair discrimination and oppression based on race, ethnicity or religion as far as possible, is by homogenizing the society. That's actually the strongest argument for exclusivity. Whoever, like MLK and today's architects of the NWO, unnecessarily heterogenizes ("multi-culturalizes") society and then tells the people to be nice to each other and to behave reasonably, ignoring that the people's nature and state of development does not allow it, creates havoc, conflict and evil.

    So nice of you to stick up for the nonwhites, I'm sure they appreciate it.
    Everyone appreciates justice.

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    Originally posted by Thorburn
    The purpose of this board is to protect the freedom of ideas and to exchange information on European issues, with the more distant goal in mind to educate, to lead people back to their roots, to contribute to a European renaissance in values, mind and spirit...

    ...We had and have people here whose ancestry was or is presumably not 100% Europid. All these people I have in mind contributed and contribute umpteen times more to the aims of this board and to the understanding of European elites (and to my personal understanding) than the average 100% Europid 1488 shouter
    A multicultural, multiracial model no doubt.

    This sounds very much like the Jewish American nationalists who want intelligent nonwhite elites to assimilate with whites, while disparaging the average and lower class whites.

    Originally posted by Thorburn
    Nordish preservation, why should he be turned away?
    Name one who is like that and marries his/her own people? The general motive is they want to assimilate.

    Originally posted by Thorburn
    The only way to eliminate unfair discrimination and oppression based on race, ethnicity or religion as far as possible, is by homogenizing the society. That's actually the strongest argument for exclusivity.?
    Ah, now we see, race is meaningless, it's only a bother because people are not treated as equals. So the only reason to separate is so we can have more justice. If people treated each other equally and intermarried, that would be wonderful.

    Originally posted by Thorburn

    Everyone appreciates justice.
    There's no doubt about that. The millions and millions of 3rd world people are loving European justice and welfare. Let's share our wonderful culture and wealth with them, as well as our women. Ain't life grand.

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    Originally posted by Nordhammer
    This sounds very much like the Jewish American nationalists who want intelligent nonwhite elites to assimilate with whites, while disparaging the average and lower class whites.
    You got me, I am a Jewish American nationalist.

    Nobody is excluded on the grounds of class. People get booted for repeated illegal or uncivil statements, regardless of class.

    Name one who is like that and marries his/her own people? The general motive is they want to assimilate.
    This board cannot prevent that a single person comes to Europe, enters the fold of Western culture, assimilates, and marries a Europid woman.

    Fact is that they are here, on this board, and not on some egalitarian, integrationist, anti-European board. This can have two reason: either they want to provoke and disturb our discussion, in which case they will be removed, or they feel, regardless of the fact that they might not be 100% Europid (a large minority amongst Europeans and white Americans is not 100% Europid, by the way), a general concern for Europe, its survival, and the preservation of its culture, values and stock — like the users I had in mind earlier.

    So why should such people be excluded?


    Ah, now we see, race is meaningless, it's only a bother because people are not treated as equals. So the only reason to separate is so we can have more justice. If people treated each other equally and intermarried, that would be wonderful.
    More justice, more freedom, higher standards, more solidarity, a higher degree of identification, &c.; yes, that's one of the primary reasons, although not the only one.

    If for the people in all races race would be no issue — neither consciously, nor unconsciously —, and if there were also no other differences or reasons that would rationally justify seperation (such as a significantly lower IQ average, a higher tendency to crime, different system characteristics producing and requiring a different cultural and social order, preservation of phenotypes, continuation of the divergent evolution, &c.), then there would be little reason left to seperate, because there would be nothing left that characterizes race. We would all belong to the same race.

    There's no doubt about that. The millions and millions of 3rd world people are loving European justice and welfare. Let's share our wonderful culture and wealth with them, as well as our women. Ain't life grand.
    I do not see the connection between permitting pro-European opinions on a message board and "sharing our wealth and women with the 3rd world" (not that I would own any women). But probably there is none, and you are just agitating.

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    Originally posted by Thorburn
    You got me, I am a Jewish American nationalist.

    Nobody is excluded on the grounds of class. People get booted for repeated illegal or uncivil statements, regardless of class.
    That wasn't the implication, merely that your statement or belief is similar to them.

    We weren't talking about exclusion from this board, you stated you preferred intellectual nonwhites over average whites.


    Originally posted by Thorburn
    This board cannot prevent that a single person comes to Europe, enters the fold of Western culture, assimilates, and marries a Europid woman.
    And I doubt this board would, considering all that has been said already.

    Originally posted by Thorburn
    Fact is that they are here, on this board, and not on some egalitarian, integrationist, anti-European board. This can have two reason: either they want to provoke and disturb our discussion, in which case they will be removed, or they feel, regardless of the fact that they might not be 100% Europid (a large minority amongst Europeans and white Americans is not 100% Europid, by the way), a general concern for Europe, its survival, and the preservation of its culture, values and stock — like the users I had in mind earlier.
    So since some have a small amount of nonwhite ancestry, then we must open the floodgates.

    I see no nonwhites with a general concern for Europe, only as it relates to them. If they weren't getting something out of it, they wouldn't care. It's like the much ballyhooed David Horowitz. Oh the American Renaissance goyim just love him! He's their hero, even though he calls Jared Taylor a racist. lol Oi! But he fights the black militants and calls them racists! He must be one of us! Judeophilia is really a marvel to observe.

    Originally posted by Thorburn
    So why should such people be excluded?
    They shouldn't. They should all be made moderators.


    Originally posted by Thorburn
    More justice, more freedom, higher standards, more solidarity, a higher degree of identification, &c.; yes, that's one of the primary reasons, although not the only one.
    But what an injustice you would be doing them and yourself, depriving yourself of the enlightenment that multiculturalism and multiracialism brings, as you've outlined for this board and your own personal wellbeing. You wouldn't subject our people to a miserable, boring, stagnant, and backwards culture as that would you? Oh the humanity!


    Originally posted by Thorburn
    If for the people in all races race would be no issue — neither consciously, nor unconsciously —, and if there were also no other differences or reasons that would rationally justify seperation (such as a significantly lower IQ average, a higher tendency to crime, different system characteristics producing and requiring a different cultural and social order, preservation of phenotypes, continuation of the divergent evolution, &c.), then there would be little reason left to seperate, because there would be nothing left that characterizes race. We would all belong to the same race.
    Well, people do have a REAL problem with racial survival purely on racial grounds. It just doesn't seem important enough, as I have stated and you have proven true as well as so many others here and elsewhere. Personality and intelligence are so much more important than race, as well as getting rich. Above-average nonwhites are better than average whites, as you said.

    Originally posted by Thorburn
    I do not see the connection between permitting pro-European opinions on a message board and "sharing our wealth and women with the 3rd world" (not that I would own any women). But probably there is none, and you are just agitating. .
    Yes, I'm sure most would offer no objection to allowing their family and friends to be with a nonwhite. You don't want to be considered racist and sexist afterall, who are you to tell anyone how to live their lives!

    Me? Agitating? Now that's something very unlike me.

    With so many other agitators and agitants, I don't want to feel left out.

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    Nordhammer,

    Your last few posts to this thread have been quite entertaining and funny, but I think it is reaching the limit now.

    Your criticism of Thorburn's "civilized" behaviour is unrealistic and irrational. As Thorburn has already pointed out, this is a website only - not the real world. No-one here is going to encourage miscegenation. But rather than focusing on the negative (such as throwing slurs at non-whites, swearing at non-whites, showing them how "tough" we are, ect), we are focusing on the positive. The positive is revelling in our European culture, racial heritage, rich history, and the like. If others (non-whites) want to read up on our culture and history, and even dare discuss it with us, it will only be to our benefit.

    There are enough people out there who are trying to portray all preservationist Europeans as "Nazis", "racists" and more. This image is not helpful, and if we keep on acting like true bigots, then I can see no real future for the cause of European preservation. No-body will even attempt to see our point of view. But if we adopt a softer, more just approach, we might even attain something remarkable. Please do not read into this that we want to miscegenate or share our culture with others. That nobody here wants. Especially not Thorburn.

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