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    The B.N.P! Even though it's a party for the entire U.K. it still has a lot to do with England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agnar
    The only reason that English today is the international language is simply because as an result of English imperialism. The English stole Canada from France, South-Africa from the Dutch, many Caribian islands from the Spanish and French, and so are there a dozen of examples. Without this imperialism, who knows, maybe the great Dutch language would have the position which the English complete today. There is no excuse, what so ever, for English imperialism...to conquer non-white areas and colonize them I would support it, but I reject the fact that one white nation stand up against the other, as only the inferieur races would benefit from it. An united white colonialism in the 18th and 19th centure could have change the face of the earth probably. Then the whites could have become the majority of the population in Africa and south-east Asia. I blame England mainly for it, despite that they are an Germanic brother nation.
    Such rivarly was unavoidable. As for stole that's such a harsh word. I would venture to say the English did only what they within their power and ablities were able to do and that given the same circumstances Spain,France,and Holland would have done the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    Such rivarly was unavoidable. As for stole that's such a harsh word. I would venture to say the English did only what they within their power and ablities were able to do and that given the same circumstances Spain,France,and Holland would have done the same.
    France and Holland did do the same, and Spanish attitudes to imperialism were totally different because they were pre-capitalist (which was good) and because of their cultural differences from us (which were bad, because they meant more fanaticism, and more slavery and plunder, than in Germanic colonialism).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    but i can say what I dont like about the English: their imperialism, their arogant nature, their lack of knowledge of foreign languages, their lack of understanding for the European mainland.
    • The British Empire was never popular with everyone, the country was always divided between the working classes who were more against it and the upper and middle classes who were more in favour.
    • Imperialism today is largely due to the government going against the wishes of the people and seeking to project power on the world stage by getting involved in wars. This is the government, not the people.
    • Arogant nature? Of course there's arrogant people amongst us, but most aren't.
    • Lack of languages is largely because there's never been a great need to learn other languages with English being a lingua franca. It's also because there's much less cross border contact and because there's a large group of Anglophone countries around the world. Also the state of language education is appaling. It is slowly getting better, a lot of English people learn French, German or Spanish these days.
    • The English don't understand the mainland because it is a world apart. England has for a long time interacted with the British Isles and Anglosphere and this has shaped its outlook. The nearest large country to England in Europe is France, most people are interested in it but there's still a bit of distrust there and that is also a major factor I think because France will inevitably play an important role in continental affairs. I think Europeans shouldn;t concern themselves too much about this, it's not like the English hate Europeans, they just like to have a degree of separation from the other nations.


    Theres only the south-east which is close to the continent, because it has links to the Low Germans on the mainland. The rest of the country is closer to North Germanic and Celtic culture than it is to the mainland European culture.
    Germany itself is very different from England. Some parts such as NW Germany are similar, but I'd say the Netherlands, Belgium and British Isles nations are the most similar.
    Even the landscapes in the low countries and British Isles most closely mirror those of England, so too do the buildings and attitudes of the people.

    The Netherlands looks a lot like Eastern England and the Fens, Walloonia (especially Liege) look similar to Western England.
    This is a good tool for comparing how countries look.

    A lot is similar about them, I think a lot of people in England overlook this. The Belgians and Dutch are more integrated into European affairs unlike the English though.

    The British Isles and Scandinavia arent really European countries, because apart from the south-east of Great Britain, were historically outliers from European interaction as well as being geographically seperate from continental Europe.
    Yeah, that's quite true. Scandinavia seems to be making an effort though.

    The only reason that English today is the international language is simply because as an result of English imperialism.
    I think America played a part too. But really this mirrors Spanish, Portuguese and French, how they spread languages around the Americas and Africa.

    The English stole Canada from France
    John Cabot discovered Newfoundland for England, the Hudson Bay Company annexed areas which weren't controlled by France and eventually their pathetic attempt at settlement failed. The French got in the way.
    The British built Canada and the French had little interest - the French basically abandoned the Quebecois because they had little interest in North America.

    South-Africa from the Dutch
    Agreed.

    many Caribian islands from the Spanish and French
    And the Dutch didn't?

    Without this imperialism, who knows, maybe the great Dutch language would have the position which the English complete today.
    The Dutch failed because they didn't start enough settler colonies like the English. The Dutch tried to get rich quick in the East Indies (and largely did). The only significant settlements of the Dutch were in South Africa.
    Meanwhile the British settled Eastern America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    The Dutch failed to leave a massive legacy because they took Indonesia and then largely settled with that.

    There is no excuse, what so ever, for English imperialism...to conquer non-white areas and colonize them I would support it, but I reject the fact that one white nation stand up against the other, as only the inferieur races would benefit from it.
    Cry me a river, inter-European wars have always happened and the Dutch are no saints either. Inter-European wars are bad for our race, but practically every European nation is guilty of them.

    The Dutch were the first Europeans to start empire building and harassed the English every time they made an attempt. Don't let Germanic brotherhood get in the way when there's money to be made eh?

    An united white colonialism in the 18th and 19th centure could have change the face of the earth probably.
    That happened - it's called America.

    Then the whites could have become the majority of the population in Africa and south-east Asia.
    No they couldn't. Whites failed miserably in attempting to settle Africa beyond Rhodesia - too many diseases and conditions they weren't adapted to.
    White settlement attempts perished in most of Africa, there were plenty of attempts made to settle it beyond SA and Rhodesia. The same applied to SE Asia.

    Today we could probably settle these areas due to medicines and better knowledge, but it's too late.

    I blame England mainly for it, despite that they are an Germanic brother nation.
    Blame your own country. The Netherlands is the one which sat contentedly in Indonesia once the British took SA.
    It's not like anyone confined the Netherlands there, the Netherlands basically had little interest in starting new white settlements around the world.

    France, Spain, Italy, Portugal and Germany all made new colonies, the Netherlands just sat still once it secured Indonesia.


    In the end the British Empire did a lot more good for Europe than any of the others - it expanded the areas inhabited by Europeans significantly and left behind the great nations of America, Canada, NZ and Australia.

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    Humor, wit, down to earthliness, intelligence, accent.
    All the English men and women I've met in my life were very kind and funny induviduals.

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    I love being English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elessar View Post
    Humor, wit, down to earthliness, intelligence, accent.
    All the English men and women I've met in my life were very kind and funny induviduals.
    I feel compelled to whole-heartedly second that.

    I especially like old, English grandpa-types (not in any weird way). I've encountered quite a few over the years, both abroad, on my own turf and within their own, natural habitat. There's something admireably refined, yet hardy and cheeky, about their manner of conduct. Something that can easily be confused with arrogance, to those not familiar with them. I, for one, love it.

    Of course, there are other, less favorable types of Englishmen, as well. Chavs and casuals comes to mind... :S But all in all, one has got to love the English.
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    An English woman has the most attractive accent. Plus I also love Land Rovers and English beer.

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    Ain't never been to England, however I feel that I may still hold a sort of fondness for the region for the simple fact that it propagated my lineage. Without England, I simply would not be alive today, at least in a manner recognizable to myself or others.
    Lineage migration - Hatfield, Yorkshire, England ->Stainforth, Yorkshire, England ->Whitgift, Yorkshire, England->Blacktoft, Yorkshire, England->Mecklenburg County, Virginia ->Rutherford County, North Carolina ->Overton County, Tennessee.

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